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Please, please, and I mean for the love of all fix the tournament times.

AoE2DE and AoE4 both have horendius timezone issues.

I can play Super Smash Bros Ultimate, I can play sc2, I can play CSGO, LoL, YOU NAME IT, all these games TO's organize for NA time zone or separate them. Never in my life have I see a Esport cut out a huge part of the players in a video game just to get that sweet 1PM EU time. No offense but I don't think TheViper (just an example calm down viper fans I like his content as well) and other players really need that much of and advantage (and you can't say it isn't because it REALLY is a huge difference in terms of warming up). I don't play to become number one, I have a job and a life. I DO LIKE TO COMPETE IN TOURNAMENTS. MAN IT SURE IS FUN! But it is nearly impossible to make a normal schedule work with tournaments for aoe4. I can get a few but all the big ones I just watch if I have free time at work like "Oh there goes the tournament I wanted to play in.." And don't give me that "it is impossible" stuff anymore. I have talked to make TO's and they just say "We simply cannot do that" or "We don't have enough people" to do it I guess not sure what TO's will come up with next.

It might be weird to call out TO's but they do it in any sport or esport in history when the time comes and that time has come. Every single esports can do it and has GREAT success. Why does Aoe2DE and AoE4 really not want to catch up with the times? You have the power of smash.gg, Microsoft, what more do you really need backing your game? Smash has done amazing with out Nintendo's help for (I feel so bad I have to say this) 20 plus years. Sc2 has thrived with help from blizzard for a long time and now has an ESL circuit. PLEASE Look to other games and expand this esports we are just building a cage around our player base and saying "Nope, no fun for you stay away"....

Feel free to disagree with me I don't play to be number one, but playing competitively is super fun to me, going to locals for SSBU, going to lans back in the day for Sc2 I just wish AoE4 was one of those games I could invest time into but I have no ability to do so. I simply can't but I can for any other game... why is that? Why am I forced to not enjoy and play aoe4 in esports and be a part of it?
 
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It’s same in any other esport which is hosting global tournaments. It’s impossible to please all timezones.
 
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You can literally solve this by just casting from recorded games. Casting recs is a legitimately better experience for the viewers in 90% of cases, and then players can just find a mutual time to play
 
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Just in case you didn't know about it, I run The Warchief Club for Americas timezones pretty much every Friday. The prize pool is donation driven.

Outside of that, I think the number 1 issue is that there really is no incentive for TOs to host events in EU hostile times because the best players won't play, which means any stream of the event will be watched less than those who are made for the big names.
 
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ok byebye asia (^_-)-☆
 
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Never in my life have I see a Esport cut out a huge part of the players in a video game just to get that sweet 1PM EU time.
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When was the last time any tournament started at this hour?
 
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Because most pros and viewers of the game are from EU. The NA scene is too small to be relevant. NA is not always the center of the Universe. Period.
 
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kalcium said:
Because most pros and viewers of the game are from EU. The NA scene is too small to be relevant. NA is not always the center of the Universe. Period.
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NA inherited the center of the universe complex from EU tbf.
 
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Wait, is the tldr that you aren't happy that tournaments games are played at times that don't suit you? I don't get it, a lot of tournaments games nowadays are casted as rec, so you schedule the times with your opponent. The few live ones are up to the tournament organizers to choose. Just as you don't want to play at whatever time is inconvenient, so is the tournament organizer going to choose what time is most convenient for him/her, factoring in viewership and a host of other players. Doesn't that seem logical enough?
 
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SuperskinnyBLS said:
When was the last time any tournament started at this hour?
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Some of the qualifiers and stuff started at this kinda time, those ones with like 256 person brackets played live (and I think them playing live is a problem)

But "Its not good time for me so screw everyone else playing make it suit me" is still such a horrible take 11
 
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Please host tournaments so 10% of people can play them instead of 90% :cry:
 
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willdbeast said:
Some of the qualifiers and stuff started at this kinda time, those ones with like 256 person brackets played live (and I think them playing live is a problem)

But "Its not good time for me so screw everyone else playing make it suit me" is still such a horrible take 11
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That's just bo1 qualifying, I cannot recall any tournament stage starting at 13:00, damn not even 15:00, usually it's 16:00 and we have to stay until like midnight to watch the best series.
 
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Maybe because European times is the middle ground for Asia time and Americas time? Maybe because most of to players are european? Maybe because if it's afternoon in europe is the morning in the Americas?

If you want to be competititve, you must make a priority out of it. Most tournaments are in weekends. So you can wake up at 9 am to play a tournament for a huge amount of money.

It's funny because your post basically says "TO stop doing tournaments in Europe time. Do it in MY TIME so I can play". If anyone have the right to complain, is the elite players from Asia/Australia. Tell me about sacrifice, waking up at 1 am to start playing a competition.

And btw, your name is not even relevant to the scene. Sorry, but git gut and then start demanding things.
 
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And btw, your name is not even relevant to the scene. Sorry, but git gut and then start to ask for things.
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You don't have to be good to complain, but you have to be damn good if your complaint is purely your personal convenience
 
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You don't have to be good to complain, but you have to be damn good if your complaint is purely your personal convenience
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exactly. I'm always open to suggestions. I (and everyone else) have a lot to learn.

But this is just a rant from a random guy, with none base to support it
 
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LowEloNoOne said:
You can literally solve this by just casting from recorded games. Casting recs is a legitimately better experience for the viewers in 90% of cases, and then players can just find a mutual time to play
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Recorded matches are convenient to watch, but lack the hype. That's why most sports are broadcast live.
 
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OP's question is fair to ask but if only it was written with a bit less entitlement. Something like:

"If tournament organizers could have different time zones for different geographical locations, especially for the first/second round of a tournament with lots of participants, it would allow more people to participate and have fun. There are other e-sports doing it and perhaps AOE2:DE and AoE4 are big enough to do that as well?"

There are big markets where the current time zones are hurting, not only for the players but also for the viewership. But is any of the AOE franchise big enough for that?
 
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The only way I see that this could be improved is if you have multiple (regional) qualifiers to an event, which would make the events longer, being a problem again, since this is mostly only a problem where more than 2 rounds have to be played in one day.

I also agree that it should be a smaller problem on weekends and it can't be that the organisers cast games until 5 am of their time, but some recent AoE 4 events were on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, where I can understand the frustration.
 
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Recorded matches are convenient to watch, but lack the hype. That's why most sports are broadcast live.
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I think this has been proven incorrect in several tournaments. I understand the value of live matches for Quarterfinals/Semis/Finals, or matches where you are using facecams (although I think recorded facecams are a definite possibility). However, I think that anything prior to Quarterfinals can be recorded games without any loss to hype etc
 
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Recorded matches are convenient to watch, but lack the hype. That's why most sports are broadcast live.
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No one casts those hundreds BO1s which make tournament start so early and thefore are cause for this rant.
 
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Didnt have "blaming tournament organizers for timezones" on my aoezone 2022 bingocard, but I do feel thats my own fault in some way.
 
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This is such a non issue. I do think that tournaments have been planned well regarding most if not all time zones in this community.
 
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I think this has been proven incorrect in several tournaments. I understand the value of live matches for Quarterfinals/Semis/Finals, or matches where you are using facecams (although I think recorded facecams are a definite possibility). However, I think that anything prior to Quarterfinals can be recorded games without any loss to hype etc
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Yeah agreed, never really understood that argument. What's the difference for the viewer? Nothing. Or does knowing that the guys are on their PCs at that very second really "add hype"?

Viewers wouldn't even know if it's live or recs if games didn't go smoothly on schedule without random pauses, drops, internet issues and delays.

Recs make for way better viewing experience, and have no downside outside of interviews/live face cams imo.
 
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Live is live, there is no alternative for it.

If I'm watching recs cast then might just watch on YouTube and avoid the in-between game down time + fast forward
 
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