Red Bull Wololo V - Invited Players

[malamadre]

Red bull could host a hamachi LAN so yo can join the tournament

 

[rclippi]

What did RB try and what didn't work, do you know specifics ?

Is that Germany doesn't allow citizens from countries with dangerous Covid Variants, even with quarantine and vaccinations.

 

[kw1k000000]

we had tournaments where top 3 players did not participate due to covid restrictions, and we could also add injuries to that, since that often is not personal resposibility but unfortunate outer conditions.

All of this is because of players own choices or circumstances and not because of organization.

Tennis requires physical presence of players, can't do it virtually. Aoe tournaments have been perfectly fine online.

Don't compare apples with oranges.

 

[Bourne2Die]

All of this is because of players own choices or circumstances and not because of organization.

Tennis requires physical presence of players, can't do it virtually. Aoe tournaments have been perfectly fine online.

Don't compare apples with oranges.

since when does a lan event not require physical presence?

on top of that we don't even know, if yo just had no chance to come to germany (i doubt that), or if he preferes not to come. but that doesnt even matter. if he could not come because of restrictions, you could compare it to an injured player, if it is his own choice, to rather not do it because of quarantain, it would be the dispense due to covid regulation.

it basically is 100% comparable to the things that happened in tennis.

 

[kw1k000000]

since when does a lan event not require physical presence?

You can play AOE perfectly fine online as well. 1/2 top players playing from his home wouldn't ruin lan event but rather make it a full top tier event.

 

[Tendo]

You can play AOE perfectly fine online as well. 1/2 top players playing from his home wouldn't ruin lan event but rather make it a full top tier event.

It's not a question whether players can play fine from home (obv they can and have a huge advantage on top of that) it's just increasing the chance that something is not working as intended and getting out of hand.

Just imagine f.e Yo at home having a power outage, or the internet is not working, or dauts son bites the cable or anything else, or yo just not being punctual.
Then you would have no way to help yo fix his problems, maybe he's unreachable on top of that, also you cannot waste any time with rescheduling because you have a lan -> tight schedule.
A lan is already hard to manage, you don't wanna make it even more complicated.

Obviously you wanna have the players meeting with each other in person, maybe show theyre reactions during the games (not only during theyre own games, also while others play), do interviews, maybe let them cocast a bit as they did at NAC.
Also smth you absolutely don't want to have is ppl badmouthing someone saying things like "he cheated" cause he's not there in person.

 

[amazing_knight]

it's just increasing the chance that something is not working as intended and getting out of hand.

Just imagine f.e Yo at home having a power outage, or the internet is not working, or dauts son bites the cable or anything else, or yo just not being punctual.

Oh yeah, I remember how these issues were so frequent during RBW 1-4. Actually, I don't!

It's like trying to find a reason why online tournaments can't be conducted when nearly 90% of them are online.

 

[dave_hun]

Local area network - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In local heroes 3 events we had multiple instances of 1-2 players playing through online connection because they could not make it. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

If we can manage it, surely redbull can as well....

 

[Johnie2020]

Oh yeah, I remember how these issues were so frequent during RBW 1-4. Actually, I don't!

It's like trying to find a reason why online tournaments can't be conducted when nearly 90% of them are online.

Are you trolling ?

 

[kw1k000000]

Are you trolling ?

Care to eleborate ?

 

[ponciliano]

The reason why Redbull doesn't want Yo playing online is quite simple: they want the event to be 100% purely LAN, and this outweighs the bummer of not having some of the top players participating.

Which I still find it quite irresponsible for them to be this ambitious and proud during a pandemic, and I elaborated that further in the main RBW topic. Going hybrid would show a minimum of sensibility towards the context the world is facing, and allow all the top players to join.

And comparing RBW to NAC doesn't make sense. First because NAC is an amateur event made by a physical person, and of course that makes him lack the money and structure to be able to pull everything off, while Redbull is a corporation that has the money and structure for it.

Second, now we are in a pandemic, and the fact players aren't able to attend due to COVID restrictions is way sadder than if it was due to VISA reasons.

 

[IRC_tomate]

(and because EW, of course, just hope this will be the last event with this disgusting mode)

I don't think we should be missing a game mode that has evolved into 20 mins of gametime where almost exclusively is all about walling and camping, which is just about who can get to castle age faster with less invesment, boredorm to the players and the viewers

 

[lecracheursagacite]

The point about tennis was just that when there is a Grand Slam missing one or more of the Big 3 people still treat it like a real competition so the same could apply here with missing Yo but think even injuries are different than a player being unable to play due to forcing a LAN event while there is still an ongoing pandemic.

 

[bobdebuilder]

So I guessed it right :P ??

 

[VNS_Spring__]

without Yo there, No one can stop Viper lol

 

[Degaussed]

without Yo there, No one can stop Viper lol

The only person who can stop Viper is... Viper himself

 

[ponciliano]

About the invited players themselves, the least half could've been defeated by a qualifier guy.

Based on Capoch's take on his own topic, I also think that qualifiers/invites should've been 50/50. I'm not saying that those invited players would be defeated of course, they could all have been qualified themselves. But I'm saying that they could at least have proven that they are up to that level and preparation by going through a qualifier. While also giving other contenders more chances and spots.

That's yet another decision by the organizers that risks compromising the tournament's quality. But let's see how it goes, I'm rooting for it to be one of the most epic tournaments of the decade despite all the criticisms that I have and I think is due.

 

[Lord_patito]

the least half could've been defeated by a qualifier guy.

You're tripping hard man. Besides Yo and Dogao, this guys are the one that consistently have made good EW tournaments. Yeah, some qualifier player could hipotetically defeat them; but they will still be the favorites

 

[ponciliano]

You're tripping hard man. Besides Yo and Dogao, this guys are the one that consistently have made good EW tournaments. Yeah, some qualifier player could hipotetically defeat them; but they will still be the favorites

You're the one tripping. "Could" doesn't mean they would, or that they are any worse than qualifier guys, obviously they aren't. Just that they could, indeed, lose to Slam, Capoch, Dracken, Jordan, Laaan, or another qualifier guy.

Inviting them directly was an anti-competitive measure, that's my point.

 

[Lord_patito]

You're the one tripping. "Could" doesn't mean they would, or that they are any worse than qualifier guys, obviously they aren't. Just that they could, indeed, lose to Slam, Capoch, Dracken, Jordan, Laaan, or another qualifier guy.

Inviting them directly was an anti-competitive measure, that's my point.

Every player can lose against every player (to a certain extent). Hera or Lierrey can lose to a top 100. But how many times out of 20 times that will happen? 1? 2 ?

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Every player can lose against every player (to a certain extent). Hera or Lierrey can lose to a top 100. But how many times out of 20 times that will happen? 1? 2 ?

By "could" he means more likely than possible at all.

 

[Dusk2Dawn]

If we set an incredibly high standard for calling a tournament competitive, I can't think of a single 1v1 tournament that is competitive in recent years (please help me remember). All other tournaments had some issues that make them not competitive:

1. random brackets, (Hidden Cups)
2. seeding based on tournaments that had random brackets, (RBW 1)
3. subjectively inviting players, (NACs)
4. top players not being able to play because of Visa issues (NACs)
5. top player(s) not being able to play because of sign up problems, (Open Classic, RBWs)
6. Single maps (KOTDs, MOAs, Clown Cup)
7. Not having enough prize-pool (non S-tier tournaments)
8. Part of a bigger tournament that limits 2 participants per team and excludes everyone else (1v1s in ECL)
9. Players not being motivated and not playing "seriously" (non S-tier tournaments)
10. Not starting from dark age (RBWs)
11. Changing tournament rules mid tournament (...)
12. DauT having to qualify (every tournament DauT had to qualify or didn't qualify)

A group stage to decide the brackets plus a double elimination bracket would make a tournament win much more believable in my opinion

 

[Dusk2Dawn]

The reason why Redbull doesn't want Yo playing online is quite simple: they want the event to be 100% purely LAN, and this outweighs the bummer of not having some of the top players participating.

Which I still find it quite irresponsible for them to be this ambitious and proud during a pandemic, and I elaborated that further in the main RBW topic. Going hybrid would show a minimum of sensibility towards the context the world is facing, and allow all the top players to join.

And comparing RBW to NAC doesn't make sense. First because NAC is an amateur event made by a physical person, and of course that makes him lack the money and structure to be able to pull everything off, while Redbull is a corporation that has the money and structure for it.

Second, now we are in a pandemic, and the fact players aren't able to attend due to COVID restrictions is way sadder than if it was due to VISA reaso

Most computer games "nerds" are introverted and i am willing to bet that, if given a choice, at least 50% would play a potential big hybrid(lan+online) tournament from home, this becoming an online tournament

 

[dodageka]

I 100% prefer a proper LAN with some players missing over a hybrid/online tournament were everybody can participate - there is so much more potential for a properly produced show this way. Definitely looking super much forward to it.

And obviously, if someone decides to organize a lan-event, then players can’t participate online, as it would no longer be a lan then and not the same type of event. Players not being able to participate is very unfortunate, but in this case the organizers have decided that they believe it will be a better event as a lan with some players missing than hybrid/online with everybody participating.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

there is so much more potential for a properly produced show this way

except for the no fans part of it