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My thoughts:
-Pep Guardiola = fraud Kappa
-Pep Guardiola seems to struggle when things get a bit off the rail; even though his sides construct some extremely good goals, he doesn't embrace the artistry of the game as much as he needs to
-Bezema penalty was a bit soft
-Stoppage time length in the second ET period was 1 or 2 minutes too low based on how much time Madrid had wasted
-Ending stoppage time early is wrong except in cases of extreme overallocation
-Even if the ref was clearly in Real Madrid's camp by that point of the game no one cares because it's Man City and you'd rather even Man United win than them

Feel free to respond/provide novel insights of your own/etc.
 
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Fraudiola.

Nah but seriously, Real Madrid seem to have some kind of crazy voodoo magic on their side in Champions League matches
 
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Liamsmalley7 said:
Fraudiola.

Nah but seriously, Real Madrid seem to have some kind of crazy voodoo magic on their side in Champions League matches
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It's the self-belief of having won it so much.
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
It's the self-belief of having won it so much.
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That's true to an extent. Guys like Rodrygo, Vinicius, Militao etc all put up heroic performances over some of the games all while having never won it
 
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Liamsmalley7 said:
That's true to an extent. Guys like Rodrygo, Vinicius, Militao etc all put up heroic performances over some of the games all while having never won it
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They are all immersed in the culture.
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
They are all immersed in the culture.
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I agree. It’s a spirit that lives in the club and is passed on from one generation to the next - the believe that nothing can stop you at your best and based on that the ability to deliver your best when needed to
 
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Is Spanish spirit, we are ****ing fighters, and we never give up in anything!!!!

Look Rafa Nadal, Carlos Alcaraz and many other names!!!! we just believe!!!!

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MembTV said:
Is Spanish spirit, we are ****ing fighters, and we never give up in anything!!!!

Look Rafa Nadal, Carlos Alcaraz and many other names!!!! we just believe!!!!

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we also see that in 1v1s where you don’t resign although only half the score
 
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Guardiola only has 1 plan for the game and when things are not going his way he fades. Previous rounds showed that against Madrid you cannot "calculate" , just play your game and that will get you a result, the momentum can shift at any moment if you let them breathe.

Pep already was incredibly lucky against a much weaker side ( Atletico ) but ultimately he got the desired result although anyone could have seen flaws in his defensive strategy.

I think in the final Real is the favourite, we will see how things will work out but they have more experience, cold blood and obviously Benzema who by the way didn't perform at his top level yesterday but the team still managed to advance.
 
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Funny someone mentioned voodoo, was just reading about the voodoo curse of Yaya Toure on Guardiola 11. But in all honesty, I agree that it's about mentality, and I think that boils down to the manager. Liverpool were playing worse than Real Madrid were, and yet they came back as if they were always on top. I definitely don't agree that ref was in Real camp, though.
 
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dodageka said:
I agree. It’s a spirit that lives in the club and is passed on from one generation to the next - the believe that nothing can stop you at your best and based on that the ability to deliver your best when needed to
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Yup. The players get to the moment and rather than fearing it there is a sense of destiny that it is theirs because they are Real Madrid.
 
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SuperskinnyBLS said:
Guardiola only has 1 plan for the game and when things are not going his way he fades. Previous rounds showed that against Madrid you cannot "calculate" , just play your game and that will get you a result, the momentum can shift at any moment if you let them breathe.

Pep already was incredibly lucky against a much weaker side ( Atletico ) but ultimately he got the desired result although anyone could have seen flaws in his defensive strategy.
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Chainsaw said:
Funny someone mentioned voodoo, was just reading about the voodoo curse of Yaya Toure on Guardiola 11. But in all honesty, I agree that it's about mentality, and I think that boils down to the manager. Liverpool were playing worse than Real Madrid were, and yet they came back as if they were always on top.
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So my question is: does Pep not have the capacity to manage a more intuitive match, or is he just constricted by risk-aversion and comfort with his approach?

Chainsaw said:
I definitely don't agree that ref was in Real camp, though.
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Not in the camp truly but he felt like he was being swept up in the occasion at the end. The penalty is 50-50 imo but the stoppage time thing was pretty clearly in their favor.

SuperskinnyBLS said:
I think in the final Real is the favourite, we will see how things will work out but they have more experience, cold blood and obviously Benzema who by the way didn't perform at his top level yesterday but the team still managed to advance.
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I would say he was at his top level when it really mattered but it's true you want that the whole game. Agree they are favorites but have to think only slightly.
 
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lecracheursagacite said:
So my question is: does Pep not have the capacity to manage a more intuitive match, or is he just constricted by risk-aversion and comfort with his approach?
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I think for some reason CL brings with it some freak games that you can't explain or prepare for. Like Barca have lost so many games by a huge margin and won some as well. Remember Dortmund v Malaga in 12/13?

There might be something in Pep being very good at planning for a game, but struggling to adapt once said game is on. I might be completely wrong, but it's my impression. He is also not known for seeing out a game once he has an advantage. I would not call it risk aversion, as he played a really high line back when he coached Bayern vs MSN. I've no idea what the stats actually say, though.

I think you're pretty spot on about the referee.
 
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As a Liverpool fan I supported Real to beal the oil money club.
 
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Chainsaw said:
I think for some reason CL brings with it some freak games that you can't explain or prepare for. Like Barca have lost so many games by a huge margin and won some as well. Remember Dortmund v Malaga in 12/13?
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This is a good point. Midweek and nighttime + the occasion always changes things a bit from regular league play.

Chainsaw said:
There might be something in Pep being very good at planning for a game, but struggling to adapt once said game is on. I might be completely wrong, but it's my impression. He is also not known for seeing out a game once he has an advantage. I would not call it risk aversion, as he played a really high line back when he coached Bayern vs MSN. I've no idea what the stats actually say, though.
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I mean risk aversion in the sense that he isn't comfortable making adjustments and having those sometimes fail. If you have this impression and @SuperskinnyBLS does too I think there is something to it.

Chainsaw said:
I think you're pretty spot on about the referee.
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Yeah sorry for not being clearer the first time.

Brlr716 said:
As a Liverpool fan I supported Real to beal the oil money club.
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