Grilled cheeses are garbage to start with.Grilled cheeses with ketchup are garbage and people who say otherwise are garbage.
Since we're going offtopic anyway
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Grilled cheeses are garbage to start with.Grilled cheeses with ketchup are garbage and people who say otherwise are garbage.
Since we're going offtopic anyway
Don't change the subjectSo it's over week and there is no annoucement?
Funny, you got me in a big way in one area when you said how kids are saving the world. It reminds me of anime I used to watch 15-20 years ago where there was always a teenager who would basically become a god or was a super genius or overpowers strong muscular men in fights etc. Personally, I still appreciate the creativity of JK Rowling with HP today (exception of the kids saving the world part).my knowledge about the harry potter universe is way more limited since i found it from the beginning not as intriguing. the last time i consumed anything from the original harry potter storyline was like 20 years ago, when i accompanied my little brother to the cinema for harry potter 2, because he is 8 years younger and noone else wanted to watch it. coming in contact with harry potter from a background of lotr and plenty other fantasy literature, comics and RPGs etc i found the world neither convincing nor very original. the worldbuilding is partly nonsensical. the good guys have slaves, they play a game that is boring and pointless, because it is only about catching one ball in the end, the bad guys are bad because their bloodline says so, and they come all in the class for the bad guys, the best magicians in the world make difficult tasks to hide something but 8 year olds break them easily. in general apparently the only power in this universe that tries to stop the baddies are 8 year olds. the goverment uses unstable very deadly demons as their security guards (what could go wrong?) and so on ... i felt always harry potter is meant for small children that do not think about details and if they make sense. i am convinced though that in the simplicity of the story arch must be something genius because it appeals to so many people.
of course also the best and most important fantasy of all times has plot holes. f.e. the "eagle problem" in lotr. so as a consumer you have to turn your head and look the other way there as well. but it is not as glaring imo as in harry potter, where i have to look so much the other way, that i loose interest.
u take those blasphemous words back!!!!!of course also the best and most important fantasy of all times has plot holes. f.e. the "eagle problem" in lotr. so as a consumer you have to turn your head and look the other way there as well. but it is not as glaring imo as in harry potter, where i have to look so much the other way, that i loose interest.
The difference lies in how the setting is created. If setting allows kids to be more powerful than adults, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Many anime in particular have characters reach their peak in teen ages because magic/emotions/superpowers/hormones and there's also strong "new generation has more potential than old generation" theme going on. You should never apply real life logic to the fiction. However fiction should be held accountable for cases where it goes against own premise. It can also look questionable when fiction doesn't have any rules for situations which seem unlikely.Funny, you got me in a big way in one area when you said how kids are saving the world. It reminds me of anime I used to watch 15-20 years ago where there was always a teenager who would basically become a god or was a super genius or overpowers strong muscular men in fights etc. Personally, I still appreciate the creativity of JK Rowling with HP today (exception of the kids saving the world part).
An interesting thing about ‘turning the other way’ though is how it applies to so many things regarding entertainment with movies and shows (even some things outside of this). As long as certain things don’t cross some tolerance line (kids saving world in HP for instance) and there’s some immersion factor, people seem to enjoy being deceived and will allow it.
Harry Potter was nothing without Dumbledore so I think this particular issue is being a bit overblown.The difference lies in how the setting is created. If setting allows kids to be more powerful than adults, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Many anime in particular have characters reach their peak in teen ages because magic/emotions/superpowers/hormones and there's also strong "new generation has more potential than old generation" theme going on. You should never apply real life logic to the fiction. However fiction should be held accountable for cases where it goes against own premise. It can also look questionable when fiction doesn't have any rules for situations which seem unlikely.
Harry Potter had pretty strong suggestions about how power comes with age in that universe so kids being overly competent does require turning your eye away more than what should be necessary.
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??? single outlier doesn't mean you ignore everything else about 200 other charactersHarry Potter was nothing without Dumbledore so I think this particular issue is being a bit overblown.
I'm confused I just thought the issue was "kids saving the world" or something.??? single outlier doesn't mean you ignore everything else about 200 other characters
Dumbledore is completely different from other adults
the eagle theme got addressed by tolkien in some of his letters. (i paraphrase) "they are a dangerous machine", which indicates that he also looked at them as a "deus ex machina", at least his words are mostly interpreted in such a way. and i am quite convinced that because of the eagle problem tolkien put in the books the conversation between the eagle who saved him from saruman and gandalf. in which, i paraphrase again, the eagle says" i can fly u many miles, but i can not fly u to the end of the earth". the protagonists are not in command of the eagles, which are actually servants of the gods (valar) and they are not a tool one simply can make use of. generally, i still think he used the eagles even in the books a tad too much, so one could think "why not use the egales" but this criticism is as low level as anyone could mean it.u take those blasphemous words back!!!!!
LOTR is a masterpiece and I wont allow anyone dragging it into the mud!!! Or talking about it in the same sentence as mediocre fantasy novels written by a terrible human.
The "eagles problem"... It would be super obvious if suddenly a horde of eagles would fly towards Mount Doom... also Sauron has the Nazgul, which can fly and see in the night!
I don’t quite know where it occurred that I was ‘applying logic’ (not trying to be snide here with quotes btw), but it just automatically happened sometime during my teenage years-early twenties. I suppose there isn’t anything wrong with the whole teenager theme (targeted audience anyway), but it’s just something that I couldn’t stop noticing after nearly every anime was like that. Don’t get me wrong either though, I still enjoyed some if not most of them. Like Full Metal Panic, Full Metal Alchemist, Detective Conan (would watch this today were it not for 200-300+ episodes to catchup on...), Fate/Stay Night, Ghost Hunt, and a lot of others when I went crazy with anime from 2003-2009 or so. Anime like Berserk, Lupin, Cowboy Bebop were/still are among my favorites though. Have to say too, all this talk about anime makes me feel like I have to start saying ayaya.The difference lies in how the setting is created. If setting allows kids to be more powerful than adults, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Many anime in particular have characters reach their peak in teen ages because magic/emotions/superpowers/hormones and there's also strong "new generation has more potential than old generation" theme going on. You should never apply real life logic to the fiction. However fiction should be held accountable for cases where it goes against own premise. It can also look questionable when fiction doesn't have any rules for situations which seem unlikely.
Harry Potter had pretty strong suggestions about how power comes with age in that universe so kids being overly competent does require turning your eye away more than what should be necessary.
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no no continue please, this is more interesting than the topicthe eagle theme got addressed by tolkien in some of his letters. (i paraphrase) "they are a dangerous machine", which indicates that he also looked at them as a "deus ex machina", at least his words are mostly interpreted in such a way. and i am quite convinced that because of the eagle problem tolkien put in the books the conversation between the eagle who saved him from saruman and gandalf. in which, i paraphrase again, the eagle says" i can fly u many miles, but i can not fly u to the end of the earth". the protagonists are not in command of the eagles, which are actually servants of the gods (valar) and they are not a tool one simply can make use of. generally, i still think he used the eagles even in the books a tad too much, so one could think "why not use the egales" but this criticism is as low level as anyone could mean it.
the movies are really really good, but not as perfect as the books. missing above conversation and context f.e.. and further the eagles are shown as way superior to the nazguls. they basically manhandle the nazgul. therefore, i find it logical, after watching the movies to come to the conclusion that the eagles should be able to fly the ring to the vulcano, maybe combined with a small diversion.
i am a tolkien admirer, even went to some of the locations in new zealand, read the thing several times and also most of the post mortem published material etc. but i find fanatics and doctrinarians dull and a waste of time. the fascination for tolkiens material comes for me with the richness and imagination of the lore and the truth in it about human life and conflict, which is unprecedent in fantasy to the date. tolkien does not need your silly gatekeeping.
thats from me regarding this topic, getting back to OP, i hope you guys are very excited for the announcement of the announcement that once again got announced for today???
I agree, didn’t want to quote him since he said he’s done, but I don’t want especially the talk about LOTR to end lol.no no continue please, this is more interesting than the topic
We usually say, that people live in certain era/period, what we really mean is that they live in certain culture. That culture is set of written and unwritten laws, rules and customs, habits. Today we live in "information" era and so kids from early age know how to use smartphone despite the fact that my father has no phone because as he says "he doesnt know how to use it". He also often says that we (younger generations) are much smarter than they were. That is just his bias. People in past were especially good craftsmen, survivalists, philosophers and what not. 99% of adult people today would die alone in woods without help of modern tools. That is not reason to believe someone is smarter or dumber, just that we are more accustomed to technological stuff today, while people in past were more in tune with natural survival, crafts and such.Tbh for the sake of discussion, I wonder how true this actually is. I know someone here months ago said they don’t believe people are really smarter these days than before, and which I agree (not sure they want their name mentioned here, but I am curious about more of their thoughts since they’re pursuing a phd *hint hint*) . People in general are just more knowledgeable about certain things, a depth to it, and an application of it but not much more imo. It’s a form of intelligence in its own right, and I suppose for that they are more intelligent.
Wow, wasn’t sure if you’d ever find my post or even reply if you saw it. Thanks, I was really interested in your complete thoughts. Was a very nice read.We usually say, that people live in certain era/period, what we really mean is that they live in certain culture. That culture is set of written and unwritten laws, rules and customs, habits. Today we live in "information" era and so kids from early age know how to use smartphone despite the fact that my father has no phone because as he says "he doesnt know how to use it". He also often says that we (younger generations) are much smarter than they were. That is just his bias. People in past were especially good craftsmen, survivalists, philosophers and what not. 99% of adult people today would die alone in woods without help of modern tools. That is not reason to believe someone is smarter or dumber, just that we are more accustomed to technological stuff today, while people in past were more in tune with natural survival, crafts and such.
My number one reason why I do not believe that people today are smarter than in past is reading roman or hellenic philosophers. They lived in completely different time and place and yet they had same problems I have today, and their solutions often work to me as well as it did for them. It is fascinating how ancient stoic philosopher and buddhist teaching, literary work of samurai or thought of 20th century existentialist philosopher can have so much in common. Different people, different races, different cultures, different continents and cultures and yet such a similar thoughts. Just think about this:
Albert Camus (20th century): In the depths of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay and invincible summer.
Marcus Aurelius(2dn century AD): Look well into thyself, there is source of strength which will always spring up if thou wilt always look.
Myamoto Mushashi(17th century Japan): There is nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get better, stronger, richer... Everything is within. Seek nothing outside of yourself.
Now those are just "edgy" quotes but if you immerse yourself in their writing you may find so much in common despite the fact, that they are people from different times and space.
People in past were smart cookies and so are present time people, though we are accustomed to different enviroment. Also, technology allows us to manipulate people much easier today because of too much information and lack of focus.
Generally or specifically? Like almost everything in LotR they were inspired by various European mythological traditions and folklores.I agree, didn’t want to quote him since he said he’s done, but I don’t want especially the talk about LOTR to end lol.
I learned some time ago (speaking months ago) that Elvish is actually something of a deep language which surprised me when I thought it nearly as brief as Parseltongue with HP. Tolkien supposedly studied many languages and that’s the why. Then there’s also interesting things about LOTR and religion (God and the Devil for instance) which I think was implied somewhere. Even Tolkien drew his ideas from things like that, makes me wonder where the idea of Elves and Dwarves may have come from.
Maybe soon he will announce which Friday the announcement will take place.he never said which friday, guys. You fell for the oldest trick in the book.