Nili probaly wouldn't make a AOE4 tournament today

[miguelzin]

Friday evening, quarter finals, and currently only 5k viewers, even less than in group stage??

Brutal failure but i am sure the game still has great potential

Thats coz Viper dropped out Id say

 

[TopperHarley]

Thats coz Viper dropped out Id say

Potentially.

Luckily Grubby can’t drop out, would mean losing 3k more viewers.

If Nili ended up with only „his“ viewers, we would be at ~500

 

[marco47]

Over/under for Golden League having an average of 3k viewers?

 

[Kaschperili]

Nili was expecting 20k viewers on his channel alone. And with other channels combined 27k.

 

[Umdeuter]

He speaks about peak there I guess? 20k peak doesn't seem that far off when you have 5k consistently. Finals will probably get towards 10-15 I'd guess?

I mean, it's probably disappointing viewer numbers but I don't think it's like 20% of what they expected, more like 50% or so

 

[Tuunbaq]

Nili was expecting 20k viewers on his channel alone. And with other channels combined 27k.

Usually he has realistic expectations for his channel (see his 'goals' sheet), but considering the state of playerbase and viewers numbers, that was so far-fatched. Anyone could look at the statistics and realize that. But since he was 24/7 on AoE4 and needed it to succeed to prove everyone wrong and comfort him of his right decision leaving AoE2, he might have had biased interpretations. Even after all that time I still can't believe how much money was wasted for what? 5-7k viewers on Twitch. And segregating the AoE community.

 

[LowEloNobody]

Nili was expecting 20k viewers on his channel alone. And with other channels combined 27k.

Dark mode my dude

 

[Tendo]

And segregating the AoE community.

How?
There never was an "AoE community", it was always split between the games.
But the existence of an aoe4 community only matters now because those tournaments get funding and some ppl moved to the next game, else noone here would care about them and what they do.

Just thinking back at ECL Channel streaming AoE3, aoe2 community didn't take that well either.

 

[oozkan]

AOE tournament coordinator Nili mislead AOE tournament host Nili.

 

[Zbyszek]

Do people really think that game quality is irrelevant in 2022?

 

[XDDXOXO]

Do people really think that game quality is irrelevant in 2022?

It is when big names are involved. People will almost watch anything when their favorites are involved.

As to N4C I am curious about how they will try to sell it as a sucess.

 

[Festivus]

AOE tournament coordinator Nili mislead AOE tournament host Nili.

I bet loyal GL member Nili thinks it was all worthwhile though. Even if streamer Nili disagrees.

 

[JUDAS]

I think you guys are giving Nili too much credit for the budget spent in AoE4, I just don't believe him when he says that it is up to him the MS money that he put on any game of the franchise. In another topic, the guys from the EGCTV must been hitting their heads against the wall, they made a big bet and it is not going well.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Again I am not sure why anyone is surprised by AoE4 struggling. The Pylon Show episode from September where Rotterdam discussed AoE4 beta impressions with several second tier SC2 players (including MarineLorD) indicated there was serious cause for concern with the game and the lack of responsiveness to feedback between the closed and open betas meant no reason for confidence that things would be improved with time. AoE2 pros were not exactly enthusiastic in their assessment of the game pre-release either, so I don't even think watching that video was a necessity to have doubts about the quality from a competitive standpoint. I thought it was more impactful hearing lukewarm appraisals from players of another RTS however since they are really the ones AoE4 was targeting be a big success. That they aren't excited about AoE4 despite telling you are the start they are desperate for a new game leaves a rather strong impression. You get why some people pivoted so strongly to AoE4 but it feels like there was a bit of wishful thinking involved on their part.

 

[Kaschperili]

The semifinals have started but still only 5k viewers right now.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

I see Grubby streaming in his channel again, isn't he at the LAN anymore?
Won't he cast more games?

 

[longinator]

I see Grubby streaming in his channel again, isn't he at the LAN anymore?
Won't he cast more games?

Yup he won't, it was always planned that he only casts the group stage. Though that wasn't publically known until yesteday.

 

[oozkan]

Yup he won't, it was always planned that he only casts the group stage. Though that wasn't publically known until yesteday.

Well it is fair to say that one of the positive points of n4c was him. I wish him success in future.

 

[Giuseppe551]

Grubby probably has more followers than all the rest combined (minus Viper) so him not being there for the final weekend does indeed make zero sense. But I think we're way past the point of these decisions making sense so in a way it actually makes sense.

 

[i_no_english]

Grubby probably has more followers than all the rest combined (minus Viper) so him not being there for the final weekend does indeed make zero sense. But I think we're way past the point of these decisions making sense so in a way it actually makes sense.

Dumb comment, it was Grubby's own choice to only stay for a week

 

[Kaschperili]

It does not shine a bright light on N4C when even Grubby does not want to stay for the whole tournament.

I hope Microsoft learned their lesson. Aoe4 is dead. Long live Aoe2!

 

[Tendo]

It does not shine a bright light on N4C when even Grubby does not want to stay for the whole tournament.

I hope Microsoft learned their lesson. Aoe4 is dead. Long live Aoe2!

You do know T90 didn't stay for whole NAC3 either?

 

[oozkan]

You do know T90 didn't stay for whole NAC3 either?

NAC3 | Grand Finals | TheViper vs Hera | Cast by Nili & T90Official

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It must be a ghost who is casting this. If you say he arrived late, that's another story, but still can't compare finals and group stage.

 

[Tendo]

NAC3 | Grand Finals | TheViper vs Hera | Cast by Nili & T90Official

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It must be a ghost who is casting this. If you say he arrived late, that's another story, but still can't compare finals and group stage.

Saying he "arrived late" makes it sound like he couldn't arrive earlier, he decided it by himself that he only wanted to be there for the last days.
Imo it's the same whether group stage or finals, the only difference is that for the earlier days more ppl/casters are needed.

 

[Kaschperili]

You do know T90 didn't stay for whole NAC3 either?

T90 casted the finals. Meanwhile Grubby is playing Heroes of the Storm on his stream while the semifinals are taking place.