AOE-II DE New redbull Wololoo coming?

[robo]

An NDA is entirely about enforcement, as its entire point is a legally binding and enforceable document. Otherwise you could say the same without having your corporate lawyer reviewing it, ensuring the persons receiving it were briefed of its coverage, and paying retainer for someone to administrate and act upon them in the event of breach.

To achieve the same outcome you describe you could just say "hey don't tell anyone," without the thousands in overhead and ODC of bothering with an NDA in the first place.

You do know that everyone who signs up as an Age Insider has signed an NDA?

 

[IYIyTh]

You do know that everyone who signs up as an Age Insider has signed an NDA?

Don't even know what an Age Insider is. Sounds kinky -- merely commenting on the unlikelihood of enforcement of the type of NDA's I hear twitch streamers talk about due to the mile-size holes that can be driven through them -- which is why they are largely out of favor for these type(s) of use since they are never enforced (toothless.)

Never mind the type of blanket NDA/EULA's most folks click-thru that end up not being enforceable for any number of reasons. The burden of proof is also on the plaintiff in the states if there is a breach of an NDA that they suffered consequential damages, which in this line of business is as about as easy to prove as creating a house from toothpicks. Never mind the prospect of how other content creators would react if a gaming company aggressively pursued another content creator over something so spurious as an accidental slip of the tongue. (Which is why you never hear about it.)

Someone disclosing the secrets of an up an coming VR technology to a competitor? Yes.
Someone disclosing trade secrets or specifications to certain engine parts and methodologies to be incorporated in part or whole by a competitor? Certainly!

Someone slipping up and revealing a "new civ," for AOE2 DE -- hilarious that one would think the impact would compel Microsoft to bring suit. I giggle hypothesizing the e-mail of whatever firm Microsoft has on retainer receives when the enraged project manager calls for pitchforks and the temp laughs at their screen and immediately deletes the e-mail.

 

[nimanoe]

I don't think anyone is scared of legal ramifications, but especially streamers or other known figures in the scene still have a lot to lose and very little to gain by spoiling "secrets".
Microsoft is still sponsoring them ( in) directly and some of them get early access to new content.
It doesn't really matter if they signed an NDA or if it's legally binding, MS can still take away a lot of privileges if they wanted to.

 

[The Bloodless]

Did any of you ever tried such strats on Arena with DWL settings ? Cause i did just now and it kinda works just fine if you adapte the build.

If a map, game mode or strategy goal changes its usually a good idea to just change your old build for a more suitable.

In this case it was 2.0 DWL Start (9 vils, 170 wood, 100 food, 100g, 200s -4 sheep) as Berbers as they have basically no eco bonus for this play (vil speed shouldnt be a deciding factor for anything here)

start with 6 on sheep and 3 + 1 on wood.

rest food only till vil 20-21 they went on gold

scouted enemy first before its time to push deers and then go for 21 vils + 1 + loom, selling 200 stone and 100 wood. If you dont wanna do it just make more vils and seed early farms at this point (around vil 16-18).

Sure you will have more wood cause of the 4 instad of 2 but as you can see just sell it. And the free 6 vils also mean you have to gather 300 food less to make vils and they dont repay themself in just 5 seconds.

Ngl it involves a **** ton of force droping and shifting vils when up to Feudal but that shouldnt be a problem i assume ^^

If playing Arena is really as much about creativity and to adapt as DracKeN always says ... why not try too adapt to the game mode and see how it works first, instead of just saying it wont work ??

As a quick response, I will just say that yes, I tried a few times in a showmatch. But it sounds like you're using a different DWL than what I used. I had "DWG Arena" map: 6 Geese, 9 Villagers, 170 wood, 100 food, 100 gold, and 200 stone, as well as 6 berry bushes. I just ran it again now to try it again. I used the Lithuanians. I scouted instantly and dropped an instant mill, going for 20 population + 2 villagers. Was only able to get 20 + 4 due to lacking wood -- due to not being able to scout my opponent before having to drop a resource building (mill or lumber camp). I could take stragglers longer, but that would be horribly inefficient. Note that due to having to scout so "late" I wasn't able to switch to full boom approach upon scouting the long rush distance to my opponent... Hence me saying it reduces a strategy to a coinflip.

I didn't execute perfectly, so maybe it was still possible to do 20 + 2, but the point is that the mill first approach is made unviable due to the DWG start. The lumber camp first approach may still work. And I never said otherwise.

All of this is a bit off topic from the Redbull Wololo if you ask me, and I don't want to take anything away from it, so maybe I'll stop there...

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Someone slipping up and revealing a "new civ," for AOE2 DE -- hilarious that one would think the impact would compel Microsoft to bring suit. I giggle hypothesizing the e-mail of whatever firm Microsoft has on retainer receives when the enraged project manager calls for pitchforks and the temp laughs at their screen and immediately deletes the e-mail.

Isn't Microsoft legal mostly in-house?

 

[FolderOfDoom]

As a side note 21+2 BO implies 20+2vils (what I meant)

Ah anoying side effect of different part of AOE2 commy sometimes useing over all pop for BOs or just vil count.

BUt rest assured 20 vils +2 aka 21 pop + 2 ^^ works just as well. Tbh even better as you at that 20-22 area where less vils is more food saving than make one more vil and get longer worketimes. As said before vils do need sometime to pay off their cost.

Its ofc all a bit sketchy with no eco bonus but 99% of th etime you wont do such builds with a random civ but a selected good one that has some bonus to go for it,

I never said DWL start doesn't work, I played showmatch games on it on Arena and I liked it a lot, I simply mentioned the two strategies that cannot be done on DWL arena 11

Thats was rather meant for Bloodless, Dracken and co srry. Your post was just the only realy giving a clear build to compare vs the others just crying its impossible

 

[FolderOfDoom]

As a quick response, I will just say that yes, I tried a few times in a showmatch. But it sounds like you're using a different DWL than what I used. I had "DWG Arena" map: 6 Geese, 9 Villagers, 170 wood, 100 food, 100 gold, and 200 stone, as well as 6 berry bushes. I just ran it again now to try it again. I used the Lithuanians. I scouted instantly and dropped an instant mill, going for 20 population + 2 villagers. Was only able to get 20 + 4 due to lacking wood -- due to not being able to scout my opponent before having to drop a resource building (mill or lumber camp). I could take stragglers longer, but that would be horribly inefficient. Note that due to having to scout so "late" I wasn't able to switch to full boom approach upon scouting the long rush distance to my opponent... Hence me saying it reduces a strategy to a coinflip.

ONly difference would be me having even 2 less sheep. Res and vils are the same unless they did at one point remove the boars and deer from DWL Arena ?

ANd ok ofc if you go mill first you will lack wood. But unless there are no boars/deer or any huntables at all why would you ever go mill first ? Just get the wood and send vils to the free food before berries as its way faster/efficient.

The DWL Arena i used at least has 2 boars and 4 deer. ANd ofc if thats missing and you need the berries i would agree that 20+2 is impossible, even with Lith. But it would be impossible no matter mil or lumber first.

EDIT: Example Arena from newst DWL mod (as Lith, accidental 19 + 2) with lumber camp first:

If you dont want to go up fast just delay pushing deer after scouting, go sheep first, add more on wood and seed farms.

The entire coinflip on mill or lumber first makes just no sense to me, as there is no reason ever on this map + game moode to make the mill first.

 

[LowEloNobody]

Why does is matter if you are 20+2 or 21+2 or 25+2?
The whole point of going up fast for a smush is just to be up faster than your opponent and have a timing advantage. You go 21+2 so that you are up 2 minutes faster than his 25+2.
But if the absolute minimum possible timing is 22+2 or whatever your timing gap will still be the same because their build should also require 1 more vil etc

 

[akku]

Why does is matter if you are 20+2 or 21+2 or 25+2?
The whole point of going up fast for a smush is just to be up faster than your opponent and have a timing advantage. You go 21+2 so that you are up 2 minutes faster than his 25+2.
But if the absolute minimum possible timing is 22+2 or whatever your timing gap will still be the same because their build should also require 1 more vil etc

20+2 is a bigger advantage than 25+2

 

[LowEloNobody]

20+2 is a bigger advantage than 25+2

My point is that in the current balance you go up 5 vils faster than your opponent. In a hypothetical future balance you would still be up 5 vils faster even if the number of vils is slightly different.
I.e. you still have the same relative timing advantage

 

[Adico]

New images in the RBW discord, they are from a template posted earlier.

Also, EGC gave them a shout out in their discord:

 

[Jarvin]

If this turns out to be a combined IV+II event, then what a bizarre choice..

I have nothing against AoE4, but it feels like separate events would work to both games' benefit, but maybe I'm wrong and that's the only feasible way they could do it?

Good to see that RB isn't quite yet finished with this franchise in any case

 

[Salawen]

aoe 1 as well????

 

[Lankbouv]

An Aoe4 event is totally uncalled for and is only the result of certain people pushing it and nothing to do with viewer numbers.

 

[HongeyKong]

Poor aoe3

 

[HongeyKong]

If this turns out to be a combined IV+II event, then what a bizarre choice..

I have nothing against AoE4, but it feels like separate events would work to both games' benefit, but maybe I'm wrong and that's the only feasible way they could do it?

Good to see that RB isn't quite yet finished with this franchise in any case

Blizzcon... Twitchcon... Agecon?

 

[Adico]

Drongo joins in as well:

Gonna be honest chief, this is the most announced "TBA" tournament I have ever seen. Just laughing my ass off at the utter absurdity of everyone still acting dumb around it.

Seriously, what in the world could they be waiting for to announce it? the text/website is there, as seen by the now-deleted RBW site. The players are there, creators teasing it every other week, Jordan might have hinted at it too with the qualifier spots up for grabs, and now this.

It's not even an arg where we are trying to piece together what it could be and having some fun for a few weeks... we've known for a month now.

I cannot write a big enough 14 to signal just how over this whole teasing thing i am, here, let me try:
14
yep, not even close.

 

[enmipho]

Just wait'll they announce the announcement of the announcement

 

[MongolTCRush]

An Aoe4 event is totally uncalled for and is only the result of certain people pushing it and nothing to do with viewer numbers.

I think they made it clear it's not about viewer numbers when they seemingly announced that a game that averages viewers numbers in the single digits would be included (aoe1)

 

[MaSmOrRa]

I think they made it clear it's not about viewer numbers when they seemingly announced that a game that averages viewers numbers in the single digits would be included (aoe1)

When have they announced that AoE 1 will be included?

 

[MongolTCRush]

When have they announced that AoE 1 will be included?

Maybe I'm wrong, it hasn't been "officially" announced for any game yet, but they showed Redbull branded images of aoe1, Aoe2 and aoe4

 

[MaSmOrRa]

Maybe I'm wrong, it hasn't been "officially" announced for any game yet, but they showed Redbull branded images of aoe1, Aoe2 and aoe4

The image "Red Bull" showed was not from any of the games, it was just a generic "Age of Empires" logo.

The AoE 2 one came from Chrazinni and the AoE 4 from EGCTV.

 

[Jarvin]

Maybe I'm wrong, it hasn't been "officially" announced for any game yet, but they showed Redbull branded images of aoe1, Aoe2 and aoe4

They showed images of AoE, AoE2DE and AoE4
no mention of AoE1

It's this logo

Since with 2 they made a clear distinction between 2DE and 2(og AoC) I think we can safely assume that they meant to include AoE's logo as a general 'brand of the tournament', unless we follow the implication that they'll use the og version of AoE1 from 1997

 

[Springoftheking]

Organizing an international LAN-event is pretty expensive. It's quite natural that games in same the franchise shares a LAN-event. Shouldn't be a problem.

 

[MongolTCRush]

They showed images of AoE, AoE2DE and AoE4
no mention of AoE1
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It's this logo

Since with 2 they made a clear distinction between 2DE and 2(og AoC) I think we can safely assume that they meant to include AoE's logo as a general 'brand of the tournament', unless we follow the implication that they'll use the og version of AoE1 from 1997

Yep, you're right!