New AOE Tournament Organizer Replacing Nili, Robo Boro

[Hunyadi_]

Congrats Robo

 

[Giuseppe551]

By the way, ECL was probably the most underwhelming aoe event ever. Don’t need another

Why do you say that? ECL was great. Mistakes were made along the way but overall it provided us with regular high level competition in a way that nothing else has since. Do you prefer the patchwork system we have now where (except for something big like RBW) we never know what's next on the calendar?

 

[Springoftheking]

ECL had the best Oasis game ever.

 

[Influenza]

Why do you say that? ECL was great. Mistakes were made along the way but overall it provided us with regular high level competition in a way that nothing else has since. Do you prefer the patchwork system we have now where (except for something big like RBW) we never know what's next on the calendar?

I think there were many problems with ECL, but none of them were related to the quality of the games themselves, but the whole format and premise of the event. Here's some examples of what I'm talking about:

- Telling only some well known people in the community about this upcoming major TG tournament well in advance, while everyone else finds out with 2 weeks left until qualifiers, so there was a built in advantage for better established teams.
- This 2 round, short notice qualifier would determine which ~40 players will be allowed to participate in the only TG tournaments for the next year.
- Halfway into this way too long event it became obvious that some of the teams that were doing poorly hardly even cared or practiced any longer
- The host of the tournament secured a sponsorship for one, and only one, of the teams near the beginning of the event, super balanced and fair tournament if i do say so myself.

Basically the only good thing about ECL from an organizational perspective was that all the dates after the qualification were defined well in advance

 

[PlusNomad]

I think there were many problems with ECL, but none of them were related to the quality of the games themselves, but the whole format and premise of the event. Here's some examples of what I'm talking about:

- Telling only some well known people in the community about this upcoming major TG tournament well in advance, while everyone else finds out with 2 weeks left until qualifiers, so there was a built in advantage for better established teams.
- This 2 round, short notice qualifier would determine which ~40 players will be allowed to participate in the only TG tournaments for the next year.
- Halfway into this way too long event it became obvious that some of the teams that were doing poorly hardly even cared or practiced any longer
- The host of the tournament secured a sponsorship for one, and only one, of the teams near the beginning of the event, super balanced and fair tournament if i do say so myself.

Basically the only good thing about ECL from an organizational perspective was that all the dates after the qualification were defined well in advance

That and the viewership was piss poor for the prizepool. The EG team really spunked away Microsoft's money, there's only so many times you can bite the hand that feeds you and the spirit to do just that still thrives strong in this community, especially for those that make it their speciality.

 

[warownia]

What about Chrazini? He is very good tournament admin.

 

[Musashi]

Welcome back Robo!

 

[oozkan]

My take from this thread, Tempires thought he found an opening to attack IYIyTh but then a post from MS discord arrived, boom friendly fire.

All the months, all the work he did to defend every controversial MS decision... Feels sad.

classic IYIyTh posting speculative things without any sources to back it up.

About robo, well I better shut up and prepare popcorn for upcoming drama threads.

 

[TopperHarley]

Why do you say that? ECL was great. Mistakes were made along the way but overall it provided us with regular high level competition in a way that nothing else has since. Do you prefer the patchwork system we have now where (except for something big like RBW) we never know what's next on the calendar?

The final LAN was Great. Before that, meh

 

[oozkan]

The final LAN was Great. Before that, meh

+1 to that. It was first professional big production that paved the way for others.

 

[Tarsiz]

ECL was amazing, and robo has never treated any tournament organizer unfairly, stop propagating false rumors.

GPN is absolutely clueless as always, and incidentally without the work the Escape guys put in during the ECL and before, the scene today would be a lot less developed.
(But such remarks are to be expected from a toxic "community member" who has never lifted a finger to help grow or develop the game.)

The final thing I'll add to that is, the MS tournament coordinator is not the same as a tournament admin. These are, in fact, two very distinct jobs (incidentally, robo has done both, but Nili for instance was never a tournament admin, more like a tourney host).

Great to have you back at the job, robo.

 

[Tempires]

My take from this thread, Tempires thought he found an opening to attack IYIyTh but then a post from MS discord arrived, boom friendly fire.

All the months, all the work he did to defend every controversial MS decision... Feels sad.

Tf you are talking? IYIyTh had not post anything that told robo was chosen which is normal to do when something is announced. I went on to confirm this information from Discord as you known well so " but then a post from MS discord arrived, boom friendly fire." part makes 0 sense as I confirmed it before he did that hence it cannot backfire in first place. Whenever or not IYIyTh later gives more information that was not public when he made post or adds information that was already available doesn't change anything other than confirms originally provided information is right (although I already had provided that info but same applies if I hadn't). I can ask for actual news/source when it is not clear if this is really new information or something especially when user posting is IYIyTh who I don't associate as trustworthy but more as troll, spammer or whatever based on previous AoEZone history. Clearly, I wasn't only person thinking so. You cannot be offended from others questioning news/you when it's your own fault you gave no information/source you had about topic.

Also, I still have no idea where that picture is taken. can't it find from official discord announcements or by searching ashleylynn's posts on official discord and IYIyTh hiding time makes even harder to find said announcement but it is safe to assume it same day and maybe was removed already when I went to look and found robo's FE staff role or it is . Doesn't really matter or worth debate really . Oh, it is not even from official discord server, which makes disputing this news/ asking for source more accepted/right since there literally was no announcement/information for public at all until I looked for who are part FE staff on official dc server nor there still is .IYIyTh posting private server information is not public information even if that info is now in public, surely enough as source for news though although I already provided that info making it not needed for him post it at all. Again, reinforces your comment making even less sense.

Is Robo as TO controversial MS decision? Am I have been at any point against Robo? -No (i would expect you to be against Robo though since you were against Nili being both TO and host/admin and Robo also was TO and admin same time when he worked for MS last time)
Am I somehow defending MS by asking information if this is news and questioning claim - I don't see any point regardless of if information is right or wrong

BTW now that you mentioned off topic context, please allow me to remind about this same off topic (funnily still connected to this thread) that you never replied to our last debate : Nili_AoE leaves Microsoft . I have been keenly waiting for how you try save yourself after I explained why your both original claim and continuation were false but you just dissapeared from that thread afterwards. Don't talk about that topic here though.

 

[LowEloNobody]

Kinda Sadge that Robo won't be able to play in Rage Forest 4. He was one of the unexpected breakout players in RF3

 

[Tempires]

I don't have an NDA (at least, nothing related to AOE2.), know (or care,) what server it came from.

Strict don't ask don't tell policy.

Perhaps when they renew my Yankee White aoe2 clearance I'll get flagged for the most dramatic of aoe2leaks.

Ladies, gentlemen, your confirmation.

You'd be surprised the extent certain people on this board will go to not believe what is right in front of them.

Knowing more and employing that knowledge of aoe2 happenings and past events =/= making things up

You didn't need to post it since you did not do it originally though. I already more or less provided same information from publicly available sources. Not sure what " your confirmation." you are talking about or other stuff. Also, next time provide source instead of making others find sources to verify your information if you don't want others questioning information you gave & be offended from that (especially when you are not well trusted/uncontroversial person). This time you clearly did not show "Knowing more and employing that knowledge of aoe2 happenings and past events" when making this thread (although you had news).

 

[IYIyTh]

News is news. Too much information is kept close-chested in this community by a subset of individuals to be part of the "in," crowd. It's hard enough to keep up with a game and its community enough without all of the artificial gates. It's unfortunate what streamers have to go through just to get a piece of the action, or how much effort one streamer might have to go through to obtain funding vis another just to get a look.

Frankly, I wish there was more public discussion on how events are funded and decisions are made -- at present, tournament sponsorships operate much too like an oligarchy/nepotistic organization. Perhaps the new tournament coordinator will change course. I have my doubts, but I am at times happily surprised by what enough public attention can do on an issue.

I will be watching, and I will be writing.

I encourage individuals (who, after all, are the product whose captive viewership is being sold for these tournaments) to voice their opinion(s) on the matter.

There is far more that gets done behind the scenes that most aren't privy too, most are open secrets.
As has been alluded to by streamers and pro's who have had access to such sub-channels and information -- you don't really need to think that hard about what is happening -- the answers are usually the simple/boring ones.

I don't break news/stories/issues for folks who are going to deny it or mud sling, so I do regret if you are not my target audience. After all, it's impossible to appease everyone.

Spoiler

Now the world has gone to bed,
Darkness won't engulf my head,
I can see by infra-red,
How I hate the night,
Now I lay me down to sleep,
Try to count electric sheep,
Sweet dream wishes you can keep,
How I hate the night.

Paranoid Android

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[Potkeny]

So it is official now: https://www.ageofempires.com/news/welcome_robo_boro/

Fun fact: it's a re-publish of the original post, just changing the "date". http://web.archive.org/web/20200826215441/https://www.ageofempires.com/news/welcome_robo_boro/

 

[IYIyTh]

News is news. Too much information is kept close-chested in this community by a subset of individuals to be part of the "in," crowd. It's hard enough to keep up with a game and its community enough without all of the artificial gates. It's unfortunate what streamers have to go through just to get a piece of the action, or how much effort one streamer might have to go through to obtain funding vis another just to get a look.

Frankly, I wish there was more public discussion on how events are funded and decisions are made -- at present, tournament sponsorships operate much too like an oligarchy/nepotistic organization. Perhaps the new tournament coordinator will change course. I have my doubts, but I am at times happily surprised by what enough public attention can do on an issue.

I will be watching, and I will be writing.

I encourage individuals (who, after all, are the product whose captive viewership is being sold for these tournaments) to voice their opinion(s) on the matter.

There is far more that gets done behind the scenes that most aren't privy too, most are open secrets.
As has been alluded to by streamers and pro's who have had access to such sub-channels and information -- you don't really need to think that hard about what is happening -- the answers are usually the simple/boring ones.

I don't break news/stories/issues for folks who are going to deny it or mud sling, so I do regret if you are not my target audience. After all, it's impossible to appease everyone.

Spoiler

Now the world has gone to bed,
Darkness won't engulf my head,
I can see by infra-red,
How I hate the night,
Now I lay me down to sleep,
Try to count electric sheep,
Sweet dream wishes you can keep,
How I hate the night.

Paranoid Android

Provided to YouTube by Beggars Group Digital Ltd.Paranoid Android · RadioheadOK Computer℗ 1997 XL Recordings LtdReleased on: 1997-05-28Associated Performer,...

www.youtube.com

Gee that was quite prescient.

Now if only someone would stop being too bored to write a post on MS funded events and who/what amount they are sponsored, particularly from june/july of last year until now.