NC17 - GL GS R3 - G17 Argentina A vs Czech Republic A

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Argentina A 3:1 Czech Republic A Game 1: SYNC_Arabia - Game 2: SYNC_Islands (homemap Czech Republic A) - Game 3: SYNC_Bedouins (homemap Argentina A) - Game 4: SYNC_Twin_Puddles -

SinSide = Patin

 

[joubine9]

Could we know what happens if brazil c and arg A have at the end the same amount of points, 2-2 in their match up and same %win? how do we decide?

 

[nimanoe]

Could we know what happens if brazil c and arg A have at the end the same amount of points, 2-2 in their match up and same %win? how do we decide?

• The teams will first be ranked based on the gathered points.
• If there are 2 or more teams with the same number of points, the game difference (Wins-Losses) will be the deciding factor.
• If game difference cannot decide then the Neustadtl rule will be the deciding factor. This rule means that the sum of defeated opponents' scores plus half the sum of drawn opponents' scores of the teams in question will be added to said team.
• If there is still a tie, the last tie-breaker will be the original seed of the teams.

So if they have the same amount of points and same amount of games difference then it depends on who they took the games from. If they took a game from an opponent who is higher placed (in this case SY) it is more valuable than taking a game from a lower placed team (in this case CZ). If that is the same as well, the team with the originally higher seed will advance (in this case Arg).

So for Brazil C to advance, they need to take 1 game from SY and win 4-0 vs CZ or win/tie vs SY and win vs CZ

 

[bulletchen]

Man I enjoyed the last game by the Czech team so much! Was so fun!

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Error with the crazy fwd in game 3+4 was so entertaining! :D

 

[NachoAoE]

Game 1 was just beast-mode by Nicov. Amazing game by him, excelent perfomance!

Game 2 was very well played by Millo and Patin on the right of the map, with a very good game by fedex too.

Game 3 was very well Team-Played. Nice chemistry by Argentina, I like that monoz fast up double range, always hurting a lot, very good game to watch!

Game 4 was very cool played by cz, that sneak vill should've been prevented, especially since Arg pockets depended very heavily on fish, nice team-play by the cz team.

Pretty good games overall, I'd like to see Twigg more, especially on the Arabia, I think he has the skills to be there, even though his perfomance wasn't the best vs Brazil C. Monoz is playing everytime more solid, so if Argentina passes to next stage, I will keep an eye on him to see how it goes!

I streamed the Games with a quick interview with Millo and Monoz at the end in spanish. You can check it out here !

 

[Tiascai]

But how come Bra C can play the two last games when CZ is out and SYT is allready IN. I mean.. they have a HUGE advantadge now because SY doesnt need to win and CZ doesnt need to win.
And it doesnt mather if they are fair play, you have no real motivation, so u will not give a 100% because is just the same for you.

These should not happen in any group.

 

[Fedex]

But how come Bra C can play the two last games when CZ is out and SYT is allready IN. I mean.. they have a HUGE advantadge now because SY doesnt need to win and CZ doesnt need to win.
And it doesnt mather if they are fair play, you have no real motivation, so u will not give a 100% because is just the same for you.
These should not happen in any group.

Indeed, this sums up pretty well what I think.
I guess scheduling should be more strict for 1 match per week in future stages/tournaments, otherwise the teams who play later always have more info advantage besides no motivation for a team who is already 1st or out.

 

[Influenza]

It's not really the case though, as the seeding in the next stages will be affected by the result of the games. So hopefully that should motivate the teams to play their best...

That being said, I have no idea why it was decided to make scheduling a free for all in this group stage as opposed to the more organized process that has always been used

 

[Error_cz]

But how come Bra C can play the two last games when CZ is out and SYT is allready IN. I mean.. they have a HUGE advantadge now because SY doesnt need to win and CZ doesnt need to win.
And it doesnt mather if they are fair play, you have no real motivation, so u will not give a 100% because is just the same for you.

These should not happen in any group.

man, its not fotball. 11

When you are playing aoc for fun, you just dont want go there and 4x lose. You want still win, even if you cant get in. And also how someone said here, i guess, 3rd team from GL will have better seed in play off with teams from silver league.

And for us is better play with BR C in play off, then let play BR C gold league and possibly be killed again with arg again in silver league 11

 

[joubine9]

I hope SY and CZ will play seriously those games even if they don"t have much to play for. I trust SY for playing it 100% because they are always looking for the win whatever the match up is, you never see them resign until they are completly dead even in friendly games. Nicov and YO are also good friends it seems so i don't see SY losing this to be honest.
For CZ i guess we will have to trust Error words and they will probably try their best to get at least one win in this group and also be better seeded for silver league.

But i agree with fedex, they should change schedule rules/system specially in a robin round to avoid any suspicious games/ one team not motivated or that teams arrange between themselves a score.

 

[Error_cz]

its true, but this system is fine, because even loser still continue. If it was end for any team, there can be this problem. But we lost, we have no change continue in gold league, but still there is silver league. Only what i see like problem is, that we can choose, vs who we want play in silver league. But i guess its not this problem. Arg A or BR C...

 

[Ovenka]

This is NC, you always want to win for your country or atleast me.

 

[Tarsiz]

Beautiful games, I really enjoyed watching them all, congratulations to both teams!
Nicov was as impressive as always during game 1, carrying the team and fighting on all fronts.
Last game was probably my favorite of the series, I liked the crazy aggression from the czechs, and I must admit, the highlight for me was Millo deleting his lumbercamp to make space for his knights against the archers and later... regretting that move I assume. :D

One way to give incentive to all teams to play all games 100% would be to adopt a similar system as was used during "Strike the Balance" event where every game awarded a small amount of money to the winner.

However, I must say I find it slightly direspectful to question the fighting spirit of SY and CZ before the games are even played... I am sure both teams will give their best during their sets against Brazil and I find it a bit sad that people start creating some controversy now...

 

[Tiascai]

Didnt know about the silver league. Then it can be ok.

About fighting spirit controversy. Is not at all my intention. But go to the real stuff: if u are playing for nothing (if that would be the case) and, lets say, u have a bad day in your personal life case of whatever, u will be like "ok, **** this", and not giving your 100%, but if u still play for something, will have to play 100% anyway.

I like the system that gives % of usd in every single game also.

Anyway, CZ, lets see that 4-0 against Bra C :arrow: :D

 

[CZ_Mango]

The biggest issue is changing the format from 3v3 to 4v4 right before the start of nations cup in combination of time frame being july august which is a holiday period for most people. If you also consider different timezones then we had a hard time to even find some suitable time to get those games played at all. This usually is less problem for big countries lika china brazil etc because they have a wide roster.

 

[Millo]

Beautiful games, I really enjoyed watching them all, congratulations to both teams!
Nicov was as impressive as always during game 1, carrying the team and fighting on all fronts.
Last game was probably my favorite of the series, I liked the crazy aggression from the czechs, and I must admit, the highlight for me was Millo deleting his lumbercamp to make space for his knights against the archers and later... regretting that move I assume. :D

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I couldn´t not delete the lc tbh, the next move was to go for my back vills so i had to stop that right away, the problem was the game was over the moment i lost my fish, i made 15:xx fc with 5-7 fishers didnt count them, so all my eco was based on fish i didnt even have a mill since i also lured, with fishers i would have made more and more kts and woulnd´nt be much of a problem. That game was more like a good move from CZ(error more particullary) than a fail from us, that sneak was determinant.

Anyways about what the schedules and stuff, I don´t believe anyone will play less motivated this is a NC, of course it´s not the ideal situation, but in any case if Brazil passes it´s because they diserve it and not all this things that everyone is talking about.

 

[__skeje]

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Congratulations Arg

,We could see higher teamplay skills this series!
If u keep practising im sure Arg has big chances against ANY team.

Nico mvp, most unbalancing player this nations cup.

 

[Black Adder]

Very good match overall, showing the importance of side/backbuilds and how you shouldn't underestimate them.