NAC 3 Main Event - All Info

From 04.01.2020 - 12.01.2020 the next episode of Nili's Apartment Cup is happening. It will be the first major event that will be played on Age of empires 2: Definitive Edition and is fully funded by Microsoft which resulted in a prizepool of $20,000 and will add 100% of all community donations.​

Players:

TheViper,

TaToH,

Liereyy,

DauT,

TheMax,

Mr_Yo,

LaaaaaN,

Villese & Hera.

Casters:

OrnLu,

BBQTurkman, Nili_AoE,

T90Official &

Dave.

Spoiler: Hera Situation

Initially Hera got a direct invite to NAC 3, but didn't have time. Thing have changed and he messaged me some days ago that he still wants to join. Considering him as a great addition to the tournament, I tried to work something out.
dogao & F1Re both had time to join NAC 3, but we couldn't get a decider match in time, additionally 5 series per day would just be more exhausting on the crew (mainly me), so that after asking all players we decided on a 9 player tourney.
We keep the swiss system with one player having a BYE per day. Players were asked if they wanted to keep a 5 day group stage or 6 days because of the changed circumstances. All players wanted 5 days.

Hera has to pay for flights, hotel and food on his own.

Schedule

Group stage Swiss System - BO5

Saturday 04.01.20 13:00 GMT - Liereyy vs LaaaaN - Nili + Hera
Saturday 04.01.20 15:30 GMT - Mr_Yo vs TheMax - OrnLu + Dave
Saturday 04.01.20 18:00 GMT - TheViper vs Hera - BBQTurkman + Liereyy
Saturday 04.01.20 20:30 GMT - TaToH vs DauT - TheViper + Dave

Sunday 05.01.20 13:00 GMT

Hera vs Villese

- OrnLu +Turkman
Sunday 05.01.20 15:30 GMT

Mr_Yo vs DauT

- Nili + Dave
Sunday 05.01.20 18:00 GMT

TheViper vs Liereyy

- Hera + OrnLu
Sunday 05.01.20 20:30 GMT

TaToH vs TheMax

- Turkman + Dave

Monday 06.01.20 13:00 GMT LaaaaaN vs Villese
Monday 06.01.20 15:30 GMT Mr_Yo vs Hera
Monday 06.01.20 18:00 GMT Liereyy vs TheMax
Monday 06.01.20 20:30 GMT TheViper vs TaToH

Tuesday 13:00 GMT

Mr_Yo vs

Villese - Hera + Liereyy
Tuesday 15:30 GMT

DauT vs

LaaaaaN - Viper + Nili
Tuesday 18:00 GMT

TheViper vs

TheMax - T90 + Turkman
Tuesday 20:30 GMT

TaToH vs

Hera - T90 + Dave

Wednesday 13:00 GMT Yo vs LaaaaaN - Hera+Turkman
Wednesday 15:30 GMT TaToH vs Villese - T90+OrnLu
Wednesday 18:00 GMT Liereyy vs DauT - Dave+TaToH
Wednesday 20:30 GMT Hera vs TheMax - T90+Nili
* These are not the match-ups the initial swiss-system created. But since it originally created a Viper vs LaaaaaN match-up that didn't matter at all (4W-0L vs 0W-1B-3L) & Mr_Yo getting rewarded to lose early and get bye in day 5, players came up with the idea to give Viper the Bye and create match-ups in a swiss system after that. Player's that are getting punished the most by this are Villese (has to play #4 instead of #8) and Mr_Yo (has to win #9 instead of being directly qualified), main benefiter is Liereyy (facing #8 instead of #4).
I was sceptical at first, but players agreed on this.

Thursday 09.01.20 - Day off

Friday 10.01.20 15:00 GMT - QF BO7 Mr_Yo vs Liereyy - Hera+Ornlu
Friday 10.01.20 19:00 GMT - QF BO7 TaToH vs TheMax - T90+Turkman


Saturday 11.01.20 12:00 GMT - SF BO7 Hera vs - TaToH - Turkman+Nili
Saturday 11.01.20 16:00 GMT - SF BO7 TheViper vs Mr_Yo - T90+Dave
Saturday 11.01.20 All Day - Public Viewing + Meet & Greet

Sunday 12.01.20 12:00 GMT - Showmatch - DauT vs Villese - OrnLu+Dave
Sunday 12.01.20 15:00 GMT - Finals BO11 - TheViper vs Hera T90+Nili
Sunday 12.01.20 All Day - Public Viewing

Bracket Group Stage
Bracket Playoffs

There will be a Public Viewing in Hamburg for the Semi-Finals and Finals on the 11th+12.01.2020, aswell as a Meet&Greet with all players and casters on Saturday evening.
Meet&Greet Discord

Spoiler: Mappool

• Arabia
• Arena
• Cenotes
• Golden Pit
• Hideout
• Islands
• Medi
• Serengeti
• Valley
• NAC_Cross
• NAC_Fortress (played as Regicide)
• NAC_Graveyards
• NAC_Land_Madness

Seedings:
#1 Viper (1.0)
#2 TaToH (2.5)
#3 Mr_Yo (3.3)
#4 Liereyy (3.5)
#5 Hera (5.8)
#6 DauT (6.2)
#7 TheMax (6.3)
#8 LaaaaaN (7.7)
#9 Villese (8.3)
(done by players, bracket is the average seed)

Spoiler: Settings Group Stage

Settings BO5

A = Higher Player in Bracket (if even, higher Seed)
B = Lower Player in Bracket (if even, lower Seed)
Game 1: Arabia
MAP PICK A (Game 2)
MAP PICK B (Game 3)
MAP BAN B
MAP BAN A
MAP PICK B (Game 4)
MAP PICK A (Game 5)

Spoiler: Settings Playoffs

Settings BO7

A = Higher Group Finish
Game 1: Arabia
MAP PICK A (Game 2)
MAP PICK B (Game 3)
MAP BAN B
MAP BAN A
MAP PICK A (Game 4)
MAP PICK B (Game 5)
MAP PICK B (Game 6)
MAP PICK A (Game 7)

Spoiler: Settings Grand Finals

Settings BO11

A = Higher Group Finish
Game 1: Arabia
MAP PICK A (Game 2)
MAP PICK B (Game 3)
MAP PICK B (Game 4)
MAP PICK A (Game 5)
MAP PICK A (Game 6)
MAP PICK B (Game 7)
MAP PICK B (Game 8)
MAP PICK A (Game 9)
MAP PICK A (Game 10)
MAP PICK B (Game 11)

Game Settings

Spoiler: Game Settings

All games will be played on Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition

Game: Random Map
Size: Tiny (2 player)
Difficulty: Standard
Population: 200
Ressources: Standard
Game Speed: Normal
Reveal Map: Standard
Starting Age: Standard
Victory Condition: Conquest
Team Together: [X] Yes
All Techs: [ ] No
Allow Cheats: [ ] No
Lock Teams: [X] Yes
Lock Speed: [X] Yes
Record Game: [X] Yes

Civilizations
Every series will be Hidden Civ Pick without the chance for a player to repeat his civ within the series. Mongols are banned for Valley.

Player Restarts
There are no restarts for this tournament.

Bugged Map & Admin Restarts
A player can request bugged map restarts during the first 6 minutes (game time).
A bugged map is defined as the following for standard resource starts:
Gold: Less than 5 tiles of a main gold cluster are at least accessible on one side, extra gold are excluded.
Stone: Less than 4 tiles of a stone cluster are at least accessible on one side, extra stones are excluded.
Berries: Less than 4 tiles of a berry cluster are at least accessible on one side.
Animals: Spawned with less than the standard resources or the animals being trapped.

Graphical Mods
Any graphic changes that only affects the player's Age of Empires II are allowed.

Cheating
Cheating is not allowed under any circumstances. Players using any kind of cheat will be disqualified from any future Nili-Events.

Respect & Fairplay
Every player must respect their opponent. Bad behavior will result in a warning and may lead to an immediate disqualification of the player. This tournament values not only great skills, but also sportsmanship and fairness. Any insult, non-PC behavior or flaming will not be tolerated. Laming and mind games in game are allowed.
Players are requested to limit the time between games as much as possible to make the experience as smooth for everyone as possible.

Stragglers & Laming
Players are not allowed to delete the straggler trees which spawn within 10 tiles of an opposing player’s Town Center. This rule does not apply if the straggler tree which is being deleted forms part of a wall for the defending player.
Players are not allowed to steal a boar with a scout.
Every other form of laming is allowed.

Player colors
Players have to use the blue (higher seed) and red (lower seed).

Scheduling & being on time
Players have to be on time. Being late will result in a 10% reduction of their prize money (stacking up).

Streaming Policy
www.twitch.tv/nili_aoe will be the only channel broadcasting the games live. Recorded games will be made public after the event.

Pay-Outs
Prize Pool before the Event: ~$25,000
100% of the donations are going into the Prize Pool.

1st: 20% of the Prize Pool
2nd: 14% of the Prize Pool
3rd/4th: 11% of the Prize Pool
5th/6th: 7% of the Prize Pool
7th/8th/9th: 4% of the Prize Pool
Caster (4x): 3% of the Prize Pool
Overlay Guy: 3% of the Prize Pool
Nili: 3% of the Prize Pool

 

I'm happy for Hera and sad for dogao and F1re and happy again because NAC 3 is around the corner.

 

OMFG !!!! more hype and i explode

 

Besides adding to NAC3 as a strong player, Hera's channel is big enough that he brings in a lot of viewers aswell. Really good news for NAC and all aoe2 fans!

 

Just screw over the brazilians

 

Man I was so sad watching him on stream for so many days, this is awesome. NAC 3 positions 2-9 predictions just became impossible. HYPE

 

Will be very interesting to follow this event. Can only hope DE doesn't create too much problems.

 

NiliHype HeraHype HeraWorth

By the way, Challonge does not seems to show all 9 players. How does a Swiss System with odd number of players work? Do we have any excel sheet or other way to know the format & pairing rules for next rounds (& who gets the bye)?

 

NiliHype HeraHype HeraWorth

By the way, Challonge does not seems to show all 9 players. How does a Swiss System with odd number of players work? Do we have any excel sheet or other way to know the format & pairing rules for next rounds (& who gets the bye)?

DauT gets bye every round dautKing dautOver9000

 

So Hera loses 0-3 vs Viper and then gets #9 on Day1? Do i understand it right? ^^

 

Weird decision, reminds me of Escape inviting Suomi to ECL Final.
Looks to me like unnecessary work, especially with the fact that some People now will play less series compared to others and the system with the "bye"'s giving a free win...
Honestly I'm now less hyped, nothing against Hera, but adding another player 2 days before the tournament... seems weird.

 

So Hera loses 0-3 vs Viper and then gets #9 on Day1? Do i understand it right? ^^

It wasn't made very clear in the post, but if you look at the brackets, you can see that 6 players will make it to the playoffs. So i assume players will start getting eliminated after the third day.

 

Noone will get eliminated before the quarter finals.

 

When we all want this game to be as professional as possible, decisions like these only make it goes to the opposite way.

If he was invited before the tournament and he refused it, thats his problem.

If you want to add one more player to the event, the spot in any serious tournament would be to the first spots in the qualify, which first was Villese going instead of Vivi and the next on the queue were me and fire.

If I couldnt play with fire a decisive game because Im on holidays, the spot should be his, if he couldnt attempt to the tournament, then the spot should go for the state before the semis in the qualifies. You can make a tie break with game losses during the qualify, a lot of things to decide who goes.

Then the player with a big stream says hey I regret my decision I didnt sign up to qualify but i still want to go it might be fun, sure why not your are welcome.

 

Noone will get eliminated before the quarter finals.

yeah, but if u lose 3 games u are out.

 

Kinda feel like this sets a weird precedent. I’d think that usually, if you don’t sign up by the deadline (and especially if you decline), you’re disqualified. What’s to stop invited players from waiting until the last minute to confirm next time at their leisure? How would one justify treating that differently in the future?

A more personal opinion, but reading these announcements have bummed me out a bit more every time. Vivi not being able to make it after all, then skipping over folks who played the qualifier matches and were ready to go... I get that there were time constraints, but it’s a little sad to raise a possibility just to shut it down.

At least for me, I end up feeling a bit too sad for who’s not going to be there to be as hyped as I had been. It’s cool that Villese and Hera will get a chance to go, but it’s hard not to feel bad about those who won’t be there.

 

Don't see the point of adding a player 2 days before the start. Specially the one who was not part of the qualifier and declined initially.

Qualifiers should get preference otherwise what's the point. Most of the tournament slots were invitations and when a new one opens up it's again invitation based.

 

Getting a 3rd player out of the qualifier would pull down the overall level of NAC, leading to less hype. More sense to get Hera/MbL/Vivi, more challenge for the n°1 spot.
Glad for this announcement!

 

Getting a 3rd player out of the qualifier would pull down the overall level of NAC, leading to less hype. More sense to get Hera/MbL/Vivi, more challenge for the n°1 spot.
Glad for this announcement!

Sorry for asking this, but besides MbL there, do you think theres a level difference between fire and dogao compared to vivi or hera?
If you answer yes im sure ur not good in this game.

 

I have the strange feeling, that posts with lot of hate, accusations and drama are coming in. If you intend to make such a post, please breath and calm down for a minute, and after you made your posting, read through it again, and only send it, if it is respectful!

Nili wrote that both "couldn't get a decider match in time". Now he as the tournament host has to decide quick, its only 2 days before the tournament. Therefore I think all the options with "make another decider match" maybe with ppl that need visa or stuff are no real options.

I think the best solution in this case is take someone who was invited, but initially thought he could not make it. Hence Hera.

 

yeah, but if u lose 3 games u are out.

No, not necessarily. Actually its pretty likely that a player with 2 wins and 3 losses will make it into the quarter finals. I just made al little calculation assuming the higher seeded player always wins and the lowest ranked player after day X who didnt get a bye yet gets a bye for the next day (lowest seeded if there are multiple players with same W/L) the group stage will end with 1 player with 5 wins, 1 with 4 wins, 3 with 3 wins, 3 with 2 wins and 1 with 1 win, which means #6 after the group stage has only 2 wins.

 

When we all want this game to be as professional as possible, decisions like these only make it goes to the opposite way.

If he was invited before the tournament and he refused it, thats his problem.

If you want to add one more player to the event, the spot in any serious tournament would be to the first spots in the qualify, which first was Villese going instead of Vivi and the next on the queue were me and fire.

If I couldnt play with fire a decisive game because Im on holidays, the spot should be his, if he couldnt attempt to the tournament, then the spot should go for the state before the semis in the qualifies. You can make a tie break with game losses during the qualify, a lot of things to decide who goes.

Then the player with a big stream says hey I regret my decision I didnt sign up to qualify but i still want to go it might be fun, sure why not your are welcome.

I am of course no-one in aoe community, but i still think that you are more a crier, that a pro player. You always blame others, why you can't get into top tier tournaments or showmatches. There are top much invitatitionals, etc.
You are saying that aoe needs to be more professional, yet in which fantasy world would be more than 10 best players get invited to a LAN? You could get into Escape LAN, but you didnt, you could get to NAC3, but you didnt, So instead of crying, maybe try training more, and maybe then youll get into them.

 

Sorry for asking this, but besides MbL there, do you think theres a level difference between fire and dogao compared to vivi or hera?
If you answer yes im sure ur not good in this game.

Sorry for asking this, but would you think Laaaan and Villese would be better than Dogao and F1re? Last time I checked the former got the first two spots in the qualifier.
And please, look at F1re's performance in NAC2, was on a similar level as DauT in NAC1. Agreed Dogao on a good day might be on the similarish level as MbL/Hera.
And yes I'm not good in this game.

 

Sorry for asking this, but besides MbL there, do you think theres a level difference between fire and dogao compared to vivi or hera?
If you answer yes im sure ur not good in this game.

hera seed is 5.8, so the best players already showed that the level of hera is on another step to fire and dogoa

 

Lol putting Hera and MbL in the same level just make no ****ing sense for real