My side of the story

[Lord_patito]

okey, this drama is super long. I'm not reading all of it. actually, this is my last statement, and I'm gonna keep it short.

1) as Hera said, players were playing for a life changing oportunity. 30K dollars is a ton of money, with that in mind, playing the qualifiers should be the top priority.
2) what could or couldn't have been done to reeschedule the game is irrelevant. If the admin says you can't play tomorrow, you just simply can't. it does not matter if you agreed with your opponent to do so
3) while I agree it was late for Bugum, all vietnam/china players are forced to play tournaments well past midnight every time, since all the competitions are in Europe time. So I think the same could have been done here
4) No, the series between fire and stark was not delayed 3 hours. as you can see in the images I attached, 2 hours 45 mins passed since kamigawa created the lobby to play the last game against F1re, and the moment the series with fire and stark was over (considering 10 mins to confirm each result, and 20 mins to chec k in to the next series)

Long story short, If I'm playing for that amount of money, I'm keeping my day 100% free in order to be able to play what is needed to be played. I'm eating a big spoon of coffee if I need to stay awake

 

[Hearttt]

Did you read my mind? I'm really wondering how you know what it is that I am implying? What I'm saying is that players will definitely support players, it's much like a union in my eyes, you will more than likely always stand by each other. My words are aimed at you cause you replied...like I'm lost, what is your point here? You decided to add something about immature entitled kids, which I did not explicitly say. So if you think that is what I was implicitly saying, I want to clear it up and say it was not my intent at all.

And you saying this should have been rescheduled just proves my point of the disconnect between a real job and this, that's the sense of entitlement players have. You can disagree, I'm just noting my observation based on what I've seen in this community.

Also, not an attack on Chrazini? C'mon man. Names the dude, says terrible call. We are too grown to play the "I didn't know what my words would do" game.

I don't understand why one would have to be a "player" to understand why it was a bad idea to even suggest that Belgium plays his set at midnight under those circumstances. It's a strategy game, it's very demanding and there was a lot on the line. Perhaps the real disconnection here is between those who play the game at high level and those who don't, which might make it harder to sympathize with Belgium. So, it's not a surprise that some players would be on his side on this one.

I guess I took your initial post the wrong way due to what seemed to be the popular sentiment towards Hera and Belgium on this thread, so my bad for that. It was partly aimed at previous posts too, which I can't really be bothered to quote individually and rather just put out my disagreement with them through a single post.

The attack, as I mentioned previously, didn't exist in my opinion. Why is disagreeing with someone's decision on a matter considered an attack on the person? Am I out of touch here or something?

 

[imkyoma]

Only when I saw someone immediately tag robo did I clear up the situation so robo doesnt get questioned for smthg he didnt do.

(hera i'm only mentioning you because of the above quote, the following are not directly directed to you but to basically everyone in this topic)
BTW, it was me who tagged robo because he's normally admin on big tourneys. I got people DM'ing me toxic s*** and calling me out because 'i took sides without listening to the other side" and lots of things other ppl are calling out here too, like witchunting for example.

This is the tweet i made. If asking 'is there an explanation' is doing witchhunting, i might live in another planet. AoE audience should be more mature than in other games but instead we're all acting like a bunch of kids .
Hera saying that robo has nothing to do with it doesn't says that chrazini should be attacked, that's YOUR interpretation; Chrazini telling his side doesn't tell people to attack hera too, if u understood that way, that was YOUR interpretation. Both sides are seeking arguments but honestly overexagerating things is NOT the way to solve things. IMHO after hearing both sides (which was why i tagged robo in the 1st place; i thought he was an admin and wanted to hear the other side of the story, asking if there was an explanation, before i knew chrazini was the admin), i honestly think there is still something we ALL are missing in this story that only 3 people can tell: Chrazini, Project Belgium and maybe F1re. So we should all give a step back and stop pointing fingers from both sides; The ones who are really interested can try to organize a call with BOTH parts to try discuss about a solution for FUTURE similar problems, because that's what's gonna make this whole thing become something productive, not arguing eternally to find out who has more people taking your side.
The decision chrazini took, being it good or bad, WONT be changed; So let's work together in figuring out so things like this never happen again and BOTH admins and players ends up happy with the solution the rulebook will suggest.
That's my 2 cents, y'all stay safe and be chill, we shouldn't be fighting each other when we all want this scene to keep growing and not becoming toxic like other games and e-sports are!

 

[Turambar94]

So a player takes a unilateral decision after being warned previosusly for the admin itself, and suddendly that's super unfair? You're clearly taking a risk when it comes to such decision, so if it doesn't work u need to take responsabilty for your actions (let's remember there is a $100k prizepool on the line, u need to act accordingly).

Tbh all this mess comes just for Hera's childish attitude, and him not realizing the huge responsability that comes with the public recognizion (and twitter followers in this case). Sad.

Thank u for your great work, Chrazini. This job is not easy, and it's because people like u we are able to have these amazing non-stop-action tournamens (which are good not only for the fans, but also for the pro scene).

 

[SlipperySteve]

My idea with that tweet was to protect robo who was NOT the admin believe it or not. I should have added a message that told people not to message him nasty DMs, but again my focus was 100% on the admin call and not about what people do afterwards. Its also obvious to most who can look at liquipedia who the admin was aswell...either way I really just wanted to point out why I thought it was a bad admin decision and not to get people to attack anyone. I always use twitter to give my thoughts on tourney results for the record/situations.

I always learn from all my experiences and especially the mistakes, and have publicly and privately apologized so im not sure why people even say im too proud to apologize when ive done so several times

Yeah Big Sauce's comment summarizes why I think your tweet was careless better than I could but I'm glad that wasn't your intent and that you can acknowledge your mistakes.

 

[ponciliano]

Let me just put this here, so I am sure that we are talking about the same thing. Am I an unreasonable person for thinking this is not an attack on Chrazini, but rather an opinion on the decision he made while clarying that it was NOT robo (who people probably thought was the guy who made the decision)?

If so, then there's nothing to even discuss here, because I also disagree with his decision. I respect it, because he's the admin, but I seriously don't think this is the way to go about things in the future, therefore it IS important that players and others that don't agree with it speak up, which is precisely what Hera was trying to do on his Twitter and was clearly taken the wrong way by some people.

"leave him alone".

Alone from what? We all know what from: from nasty comments. Hera knew this would generate nasty comments towards Chrazini and wanted, or at least accepted, them. Let's not be this innocent please.

Even if not, well, it's more than late to know how irrational and heated up fanbases can be, isn't it? Then the "immature" comment is due, sorry for using this word again. But better immature than malicious, at least.

I always learn from all my experiences and especially the mistakes, and have publicly and privately apologized so im not sure why people even say im too proud to apologize when ive done so several times

It's true, you do apologize as I know so far.

In this case though, you hadn't even though strong evidence was shown that your tweet caused damage to Chrazini. That's why I called you too proud. As soon as he's shown his version and how nasty to him all this situation unfairly was to him, the apologize was already due, and you should've seen that. Better late than never though. I won't stop appreciating your content because of that, by the way. As I said previously, better being immature (or proud) than being malicious.

 

[Chengaze]

I don't understand why one would have to be a "player" to understand why it was a bad idea to even suggest that Belgium plays his set at midnight under those circumstances. It's a strategy game, it's very demanding and there was a lot on the line. Perhaps the real disconnection here is between those who play the game at high level and those who don't, which might make it harder to sympathize with Belgium. So, it's not a surprise that some players would be on his side on this one.

I guess I took your initial post the wrong way due to what seemed to be the popular sentiment towards Hera and Belgium on this thread, so my bad for that. It was partly aimed at previous posts too, which I can't really be bothered to quote individually and rather just put out my disagreement with them through a single post.

The attack, as I mentioned previously, didn't exist in my opinion. Why is disagreeing with someone's decision on a matter considered an attack on the person? Am I out of touch here or something?

I'll agree with you the first point. I'm not a high level player, just a watcher and old enjoyer of the game. So sure, maybe this was wild, but I think at the end of the day I want and we all want this game to succeed at a larger level, so that's why I'm always leaning towards stricter arrangements so that we can say we have the same level of professionalism as Starcraft or something. It might lead to me being too rigid and I can admit that. It is a shitty situation all around.

I'm not trying to dog on Hera or anyone else, I don't know any of them personally, so I won't act like I can be an authority on them. I just notice that we as a community are pretty lax, and that worked when it was smaller, but as we grow, I want a little more accountability. Not just from players, but everyone involved. It does seem like players tend to support other players no matter what, but that might be my bias shining through.

I don't think disagreeing is wrong, however, like another post pointed out, saying that Robo shouldn't be attacked and then pointing out Chrazini is just a bad look. Maybe in the heat of the moment Hera didn't realize it, but it basically directed outrage from one person to another. The man has a huge following and that's going to include idiots looking to go after anyone they might disagree with. I just think a little more caution in the future would fix this issue, and it does seem that Hera has realized this.

Phew. I hope this quells any negative sentiments between us Hearttt, I love llamas and didn't want to have to boycott them

 

[Hearttt]

"leave him alone".

Alone from what? We all know what from: from nasty comments. Hera knew this would generate nasty comments towards Chrazini and wanted, or at least accepted, them. Let's not be this innocent please.

Even if not, well, it's more than late to know how irrational and heated up fanbases can be, isn't it? Then the "immature" comment is due, sorry for using this word again. But better immature than malicious, at least.

Post #78 just explained that, sir.

Either way, I doubt Hera knew people were attacking Chrazini or that they would, but he didn't want people to be quoting Robo as if the decision was made by him. I personally wouldn't have imagined that Chrazini would be taking apparent personal attacks due to Hera's tweet. Could you? If, according to your own words, people acted irrationally why is Hera to blame? At this point, it's clear he should have been more careful, but to call him names simply because he didn't expect an irrational behavior from people who follow him is nuts. I still can't read his tweet in a manner that would make me think it would cause multiple people to send personal attacks on the admins, and I am all but "innocent".

 

[imkyoma]

Post #78 just explained that, sir.

Either way, I doubt Hera knew people were attacking Chrazini or that they would, but he didn't want people to be quoting Robo as if the decision was made by him. I personally wouldn't have imagined that Chrazini would be taking apparent personal attacks due to Hera's tweet. Could you? If, according to your own words, people acted irrationally why is Hera to blame? At this point, it's clear he should have been more careful, but to call him names simply because he didn't expect an irrational behavior from people who follow him is nuts. I still can't read his tweet in a manner that would make me think it would cause multiple people to send personal attacks on the admins, and I am all but "innocent".

Also, being 100% honest, even if Hera made the most polite tweet ever about this situation, most of the people stupid enough to go and talk **** to chrazini would still do it since all these kind of people need is an excuse.
I feel the same as you about hera's first tweets but i also see from a professional POV that he could have waited till the end of the day or tried to measure his words and take into account that twitter is full of angry people, things here just escalated so fast it doesn't even makes sense.
Maybe we don't see it as badly as some people do because we're latinos and we are very vocal by nature, but idk

 

[thepitzaboy]

I was actually in Viper's stream chat when belgium first came in, I asked him why was he FF'ed. He told the chat that they(him and fire) agreed on 11AM as a time and chrazini still DQed him and if he was viper he would play on. This to me sounded very irrational and doesnt seem like something which a seasoned admin like chrazini will do as-is and it was clear he wasnt available to explain his side.

Then I saw Hera's tweet and I at that point itself felt it to be a bit pre-mature, but I was thinking Hera had 2 sides of information due to his contacts or something.. but now looking at the story and how it has transpired doesnt seem to me that the tweet was appropriate. @Hera would you tweet the same now that chrazini has explained his side of the story?

In everything being said, I still like what roxy said though: there might be an opportunity to improve especially for such unwarranted situation's because real life does happen. My question is: Couldnt 11am time be tried atleast and if that doesnt happen then DQ? Or was it the lack of communication and casualness from belgium which decided his fate? Either ways he seems to have told Fire he is ok with the AL so by no means admins are wrong in doing what they did.

 

[Influenza]

How about stop hastily throwing qualifiers together in 1 week and expecting everything to run smoothly? It's the same story every tournament and the hosts never make any adjustments. Biggest AoE2 event in years and the qualifiers are still run like amateur hour.

 

[Brlr716]

If admin granted that BP played on next day, that would set a bad example so other players could also arrange themselves in other big tourneys due to different execuses and no-one can verify too. That will be very difficult to manage tourney in the future.

It is not a very strong arguement from the players side. If you think this is the 100k tourney that can change players life and why the hell he was not fully available and not very responsive that weekend?

 

[SouFire]

Honestly chrazini had to take a tough decision and he did it following the event rules, the tournament is sponsored by two big companies that can't accept preferential treatment to anyone or exceptions, so there is nothing else to discuss, it wasn't a showmatch or some small event sponsored by the community.

bugum ignored the admin warnings, so at that point he can't even get angry, he should be more angry to whatever happened IRL that took him away from the computer.

About hera and their friends, they forget they are AoE icons and their words have a significant impact in the game and its community, mistakes were done, an apologize its all they needed to do after those twits, not to keep arguing.

I understand their feeling trying to support to what it seemed to be an unfair decision about their friend, cause they could find a better proposal to fix the issue, but that was not their call, the admin did his job and it wasn't unfair or biased it was the only option chrazini could take given the circumstances, any other admin would have done the same.

 

[MansGh]

How about stop hastily throwing qualifiers together in 1 week and expecting everything to run smoothly? It's the same story every tournament and the hosts never make any adjustments. Biggest AoE2 event in years and the qualifiers are still run like amateur hour.

This a million times this. Nothing about this tournament is well organised, thought out or even planned.

Hera did nothing wrong and highlighted the root of all the issues, the extremely horrible planning by the team and the aftermath of the high and might attitude of we can get this done in 4 days, oh and whilst at it lets exclude the biggest names in the community.

Bad admin call is just the result of the general awfulness and lack of care that is seeping through this even.

 

[ponciliano]

Post #78 just explained that, sir.

Either way, I doubt Hera knew people were attacking Chrazini or that they would, but he didn't want people to be quoting Robo as if the decision was made by him. I personally wouldn't have imagined that Chrazini would be taking apparent personal attacks due to Hera's tweet. Could you? If, according to your own words, people acted irrationally why is Hera to blame? At this point, it's clear he should have been more careful, but to call him names simply because he didn't expect an irrational behavior from people who follow him is nuts. I still can't read his tweet in a manner that would make me think it would cause multiple people to send personal attacks on the admins, and I am all but "innocent".

I get your point. Of course Hera didn't want to actively make people harass Chrazini, he's obviously not a malicious guy.

But could he have expected that people would send nasty messages to Chrazini after the way those events unfolded? Well, certainly.

Like, couldn't Hera just have omitted Chrazini's name, and just said it wasn't Robo? Most people wouldn't have bothered messaging Chrazini if the information wasn't quite obvious to them. Then, he could have voiced his opinion while avoiding all this situation.

Note how t90 and Viper, who have even bigger fanbases, never get involved into such kind of drama. They comprehend how impactful and influential they are. You still see them voicing their opinions, just not in a flaming tone. I think that's the biggest problem in Hera's tweet: he didn't simply voice his opinion, he also done it in a flammable way for his audience.

Hope the lesson is learned for everybody: if you have followers, you have way bigger responsabilities than an average person. You, Hera, Roxy and others, have followers, and you influence their opinions. Even in a irrational way. You must be really careful about this. And the more followers you have, the more caution you should have. Your words have bigger weight, for the good or for the bad. And that's double-edged: you get more power, but you're hold more accountable for your mistakes.

 

[Chengaze]

This a million times this. Nothing about this tournament is well organised, thought out or even planned.

Hera did nothing wrong and highlighted the root of all the issues, the extremely horrible planning by the team and the aftermath of the high and might attitude of we can get this done in 4 days, oh and whilst at it lets exclude the biggest names in the community.

Bad admin call is just the result of the general awfulness and lack of care that is seeping through this even.

I really didn't want to do this, but holy **** this was mind breaking.

You think Hera didn't do anything wrong, that's cool. But he highlighted all the issues, extremely horribly planning and high and mighty attitude....where did you get that from? Do you have evidence of this, cause I don't think you understand how argumentation works. And which big names did they exclude? Are you per chance drawing extrapolated conclusions based on supposition, cause it seems like you are.

General awfulness and lack of care is another heated sentence that once again has no evidence or reasoning to back it up. C'mon man, I know this is a forum to talk **** and all that, but use your brain a little. Good, reasoned arguments and conclusions go a long way.

 

[EagleKing90]

This thread has become the very thing it proposes to be against.

Sure Hera did something which was potentially not well thought out and probably caused Chrazini grief. Something he needs to be more conscious of in the future.

And this post was supposed to actually discuss what the facts of the matter were and how such issues often arise in tournaments can be avoided in the future. Chrazini's post also highlights how difficult admin's jobs are.

Instead the comments have now become personal attacks on Hera and co, especially from a couple of commentators. Not sure if they're trolls or not, but this is not setting a good example in our community. We cant just attack people by calling them immature and whatnot. And accusations related to TOC are totally irrelevant.

 

[ponciliano]

This thread has become the very thing it proposes to be against.

Sure Hera did something which was potentially not well thought out and probably caused Chrazini grief. Something he needs to be more conscious of in the future.

And this post was supposed to actually discuss what the facts of the matter were and how such issues often arise in tournaments can be avoided in the future. Chrazini's post also highlights how difficult admin's jobs are.

Instead the comments have now become personal attacks on Hera and co, especially from a couple of commentators. Not sure if they're trolls or not, but this is not setting a good example in our community. We cant just attack people by calling them immature and whatnot. And accusations related to TOC are totally irrelevant.

You miss the main point of the thread, call people trolls, and want to pose as the "pacifist" guy of the thread. If you really wanted to stand by that, you wouldn't be provoking people.

The only bad example in the community was people misusing their influence, provoking an unfair cancel culture on Chrazini. That's the nearest thing of what can be called "trolling" that has happened here.

The post had one clear and obvious intention: defend himself against unfair attacks directed to him. That of course can also highlight tournament issues and admin's job problems, but that was not what his main thing in mind when making this topic.

Hera and co. should actually be grateful that the accountability they faced from this incident was just some aoezone drama and being called immature and things like that, which aren't even actual offenses, lol. Cancel culture is a very serious issue that can lead to way more tragic endings than just some grief.

 

[COLORPURPLE]

Sorry for quoting things out of order, just responding to bits as they catch my eye.


That is such a **** take...

Assuming everything Chrazini has said is truthful, why does this entire story need talking about?

Bugum clearly knew what he was doing was not allowed, yet went ahead and did it anyway, even stating that he is fine to get the Admin Loss. At this point it's reasonable to be a little upset and complain to close friends, that is normal, but for those 'friends' to then go and start something on his behalf that wont change the result and will obviously lead to pile ons by stupid uneducated parts of peoples communities who know nothing and contribute nothing.
The time to discuss this was between the 3 involved parties at certain times (twice on saturday when games were supposed to be played, and sunday morning when an Admin decision was made), once those ships have sailed there is no urgency to bring up the issues in a public forum, while the aggrieved party is incredible busy doing their job and are unable to defend themself. If this really was a topic that needed discussing then the solution should have been for Bugum himself to raise the issue sometime after the qualifiers are finished, where all parties get a fair chance at representing themselves.

That's the way professionals handle their issues, not crying to their rabid fans on social media platforms and stirring up twitch chat.

Imagine if every time I have had an issues with players (it has happened numerous times over the years) I publicly called them out for the stupid **** that they have done, rather than discussed it privately and tried to come to a reasonable solution, for this time or the future?

Would that make the players happy? It would be pretty ****ing satisfying let me tell you, but that isn't what someone is supposed to do when dealing with people's lives/jobs/incomes/being a responsible adult.
Imagine if you did this at a "real" workplace. You're unhappy with something that management has done, so instead of talking to them about it and trying to resolve the situation you start telling all the customers what a **** store it is. What do you think happens next?


Imagine if someone tried to go out of their way to organise a group discussion months ago and tried to represent player's needs & desires. They organise a 2 hour long meeting time, sets up proposed agenda topics, tried to do their best to address any issues players are facing ahead of time.
Imagine if then nobody out of ~40+ invited participants show up, barely anyone says that they wont be attending and a bare handful post some written feedback before/after the meeting.

It's pretty hard to attempt to make life easier for players when most of them don't care enough to have a serious discussion about the issues. It's always easier to just sit there complaining without actually putting any work in.


Assuming the start time on Liquipedia is accurate, they started ~1 hour later than every other set (yes ~2 hours later for bugum, but thats just how things go in weekend events sometimes), which is not abnormal for this type of event for one arm of the bracket to be delayed by a bit, then the 2-0 result has less than 1 hour of game time. so it should not have taken longer than ~40-60 minutes for that series to be played.
So Bugum may have waited 3 hours, but that does not mean that the tournament was 3 hours delayed. That just means that his sets were finished faster than average (backed up by the fact that his equivalent match vs spring started later than 6 matches, and earlier than 8 matches for that ro32). St4rk F1re was the latest of those matches but not by an unreasonable amount based on the provided information.
If I had built the schedule the Ro32 would have been aimed to start ~17:30, F1re/st4rk started~18:20, Bugum/spring 16:15, the two extremes of weekend events.


How do you know that he was treated unjustly when you only have his side of the situation? Of course the player getting an AL is going to feel hard done by, that doesn't necessarily mean they are in the right.

You are a leader in this community, you 'decide' (for lack of a better word) what hundreds or thousands of people think about situations that they have no knowledge or understanding about. You can inadvertantly start a huge shitstorm of hate and unwarranted abuse with just 30 seconds of unfiltered talk/tweet and as spiderman knows, with great power comes great responsibility.

At least posting on AoEZone, most readers are pretty serious/hardcore fans of the game and have some understanding of what is going on. Most random aoe2 fans on twitter or twitch chat wouldn't know the difference between a 2 hour check-in period or a start time.

Oh my god you all just stop ridiculing casual viewers. Aoe has come to this position because of the viewership. And those casual viewers play their part.

 

[leaflock]

I don't usually get into these things, but I hate it when someone gets to decide what or what not is important for another person.
And although apart from PB's post that "duh I was kicked out" I have only actually read Chrazini's side of the story here, assuming is it true, and I still have to side with PB.
I find Chrazini's decision irresponsible and unfair.

Belgium has to leave to run a somewhat lengthy errand and could, unfortunately, not finish his last series. This is where we run into the first complication, and there are a few things we need to digest. It is Belgiums responsibility, and Belgiums responsibility alone, to ensure that he is available to finish all of his matches as expected, as described in the handbook. It states you must immediately play your next match once it becomes available.

would at 2-3-4-5 am be fair for PB? it is quite late for him, no? How an exhausted player is fair to play since the previous match was delayed for no reason related to him? and if the next available for him hour is next morning then this is when the next available hour is.

. Belgium offers to play tomorrow, which I decline

Why? the reason of delaying the next seems to be in total opposition what other pro players say there was more than enough time to complete the set before the next game without issues.
If you were worried that it could hinder the follow up match why not discuss an earlier time the next day?
If there was a possibility to delay the next match , meaning that it could take a lot of hours, then that would mean that PB would have to play at a very odd hours for him without being in a proper state to play.

Once again, I am letting him know that tomorrow is not an option and that he needs to priorities his time when it comes to an event this size - it is worth saying that the errand was not incredibly crucial and that other solutions could have been used to avoid it.

Whether or not the errants he had to run are important or not are not for you to decide. The same as whether or not other solutions could have been found. Unless PB said that himself. And since we do not know what it was we cannot take your word for granted.
Exactly because of an event of this size you should have been thinking it better. Just because something does not seem important to you , for the other person may be one of the most important things in their life.

An admin's job is not just to interpret the rules but make sure all things considered the decisions made are just. In this case from my point of view , it was not a just decision. based on what was written in this thread.
1. the delay was not related to PB
2. playing later that day was not easy for PB
3. both players were ok to play the next day
4. the next day's game were not interfering in any way with either the follow up game, schedule, broadcasts etc., so there was no reason to not accept that proposal.

I cannot take very seriously the PB agreed on something several times and then decided to go behind the admin's back and not play the games as agreed. If there is any proof of that then that would be the only reason for the admins decision. Anyone has more information on PB's side of the story regarding this part?

So far my take is, the admin here was more than willing to forego a solution that was causing no issues, but he was ok with a player playing at very odd time and at the end disqualifying him and take away the chance of 30k prize.

 

[AlBundy95]

@Chrazini, keep up doing good work, we love you.

And haters are gonna hate, not first and not last time in our community.

 

[EagleKing90]

You miss the main point of the thread, call people trolls, and want to pose as the "pacifist" guy of the thread. If you really wanted to stand by that, you wouldn't be provoking people.

The only bad example in the community was people misusing their influence, provoking an unfair cancel culture on Chrazini. That's the nearest thing of what can be called "trolling" that has happened here.

The post had one clear and obvious intention: defend himself against unfair attacks directed to him. That of course can also highlight tournament issues and admin's job problems, but that was not what his main thing in mind when making this topic.

Hera and co. should actually be grateful that the accountability they faced from this incident was just some aoezone drama and being called immature and things like that, which aren't even actual offenses, lol. Cancel culture is a very serious issue that can lead to way more tragic endings than just some grief.

Sigh ok. Call me what you will.

If that's what you took from my comment, then fine. I actually agree with some of your points, but do you realise you're proposing "cancel culture" as a means to combat "cancel culture"?

 

[Halleju]

Just dont do qualifiers for rbw is the solution.
I mean its from the start more or less a joke to give only 2 qualifying spots. Red Bull doesnt care about sportsmanship, about the integrety of an aoe tournament. They just want to advertise their sugercans. They dont care, if half of the pro players can't attend, so why even keep the illusion of a fair tournament. Just invite the last 2 players and have yourself a smooth hype event. All scheduling problems solved, no need to thank me.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Feel like it's hard to really tell how problematic (or not) the treatment of Belgium was without reading all the relevant Discord conversations.

 

[COLORPURPLE]

oh i simply think no one can be completely on the right and i think the fact that theres so much controversy on the topic kinda shows that, but tbh i dont have much of an opinion, i feel bad for bugum for missing out and i can only imagine the things that were said to chrazini which is unfair too, so yeah thats all i got. As far as rules go, i disagree with your view on them but as i stated we can agree to disagree, you have your opinion i have mine

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