MoA5: Start of the Tournament/Final Brackets

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Hi guys,

Brackets:

The Final brackets are now live, they can be found here: http://challonge.com/MoA5S1

Some Sign-Ups did not make it into the final bracket, this can have one of two reason.
1: Your combined seed was not in the top #64
2: Any other rulebreak/admin reason

Scheduling and posting recs:

Scheduling
For the Ro64, Ro32 and Ro16 one of the players in a matchup will have to open a scheduling topic in the relevant subforum here on aoczone, where both players have to confirm a time. If no time can be found an admin time will be enforced or an AW will be granted.
For the rest of the tournament the admins will open a scheduling topic for you, but the same rules apply.

Rec posting
For the Ro64, Ro32, Ro16 the winner has to post the recs to the relevant subforum here on aoczone unless the loser offers to do it for him. Remember: No recs = No score
For the rest of the tournament the admins will post the recs to prevent spoilers. Do make sure that the matches are recorded to voobly with: VCOM Ladder rating enabled. Same goes here: No recs on Voobly = No score.

Settings:

1: The full list of settings can be found here
2: The higher seed is per default the host of the draft, unless both players agree otherwise.
3: A note for the pick/ban system. The BO3 and BO5 options will have 4 and 6 picks respectively, this is because after the draft the non-host of the draft (per default the lowest seed) bans one of his opponents picked civs by typing it in the Voobly lobby, after this the draft host (per default the highest seed) does the same.

Prizes:

Full list of Donators can be found here
We have changed the prizepool distribution to: 45%/30%/15%/10% for place 1/2/3/4 respectivly with a total of 839USD so far :smile:

Most importantly have fun guys, this is shaping up to be the best Masters of Arena yet :wink:
 

Netherlandsi_no_english

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I remember someone in Twitch chat saying to you 'Is MoA5 even gonna take off? No good players have signed up'.
Well... look at the sign ups now, probably the strongest master of arena field ever.. Good job!!!
 

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This morning i was sipping coffee while having a view to frozen lake. Having just managed to pull my boar deaths down to average of only 2.3 per game i was confident that i now had what it takes to became the next TheViper. I had purposely hidden my real 1v1 skills for almost 4 years knowing now it would be my time to shine.

It was Rubenstock who first aknowledged to me that i indeed, had what it takes to defeat the top of the top, and asked me to sign up MoA 5 with him. Even the former king of arena TheMax was too scared to sign up knowing i had already signed up. Two weeks of nonstop planning new strategies and practising in secret and i was confident i would surprise everyone. Even my personal coach TheMax only asked me to download the idle villager pointer; and at that point i knew i had it all.

While at about half way done with my coffee still looking at the gorgeous view of a frozen lake and forrest. Confident knowing that even TheViper wouldn't scare me in the first round, i heard my phone beeping. Rubenstock had messages me and all i could see at first were text in CAPS LOCK. I finished the last drops of the world famous finnish-filter-coffee and took a look at the message i received. ''JUPE, YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT TO MOA5'' ''THERE ARE 17'S BUT YOU ARE NOT IN''. I thought he was trolling so i went and looked at the brackets myself. Indeed i didn't find my name in the brackets. Was it really that years of BF fast imping, planned and practised Arena Trushing and with hundreds of trees cut with trebuchets in BF this was all i ended up in?

Now facing the reality that i need to go back to my cycle of dull life grinding 17+ BF rooms for my 2k TG rate knowing that no-one will ever find out what the best strategy was for WK Arena.
 
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This morning i was sipping coffee while having a view to frozen lake. Having just managed to pull my boar deaths down to average of only 2.3 per game i was confident that now had what it takes to became the next TheViper. I had purposely hidden my real 1v1 skills for almost 4 years i knew now it would be my time to shine.

It was Rubenstock who first aknowledged to me that i indeed, had what it takes to defeat the top of the top, and asked me to sign up MoA 5 with him. Even the former king of arena TheMax was too scared to sign up knowing i had already signed up. Two weeks of nonstop planning new strategies and practising in secret and i was confident i would surprise everyone. Even my personal coach TheMax only asked me to download the idle villager pointer; and at that point i knew i had it all.

While at about half way done with my coffee still looking at the gorgeous view of a frozen lake and forrest. Confident knowing that even TheViper wouldn't scare me in the first round, i heard my phone beeping. Rubenstock had messages me and all i could see at first were text in CAPS LOCK. I finished the last drops of the world famous finnish-filter-coffee and took a look at the message i received. ''JUPE, YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT TO MOA5'' ''THERE ARE 17'S BUT YOU ARE NOT IN''. I thought he was trolling so i went and looked at the brackets myself. Indeed i didn't find my name in the brackets. Was it really that years of BF fast imping, planned and practised Arena Trushing and with hundreds of trees cut with trebuchets in BF this was all i ended up in?

Now facing the reality that i need to go back to my cycle of dull life grinding 17+ BF rooms for my 2k TG rate knowing that no-one will ever find out what the best strategy was for WK Arena.
gg back to bifi
 
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This morning i was sipping coffee while having a view to frozen lake. Having just managed to pull my boar deaths down to average of only 2.3 per game i was confident that i now had what it takes to became the next TheViper. I had purposely hidden my real 1v1 skills for almost 4 years knowing now it would be my time to shine.

It was Rubenstock who first aknowledged to me that i indeed, had what it takes to defeat the top of the top, and asked me to sign up MoA 5 with him. Even the former king of arena TheMax was too scared to sign up knowing i had already signed up. Two weeks of nonstop planning new strategies and practising in secret and i was confident i would surprise everyone. Even my personal coach TheMax only asked me to download the idle villager pointer; and at that point i knew i had it all.

While at about half way done with my coffee still looking at the gorgeous view of a frozen lake and forrest. Confident knowing that even TheViper wouldn't scare me in the first round, i heard my phone beeping. Rubenstock had messages me and all i could see at first were text in CAPS LOCK. I finished the last drops of the world famous finnish-filter-coffee and took a look at the message i received. ''JUPE, YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT TO MOA5'' ''THERE ARE 17'S BUT YOU ARE NOT IN''. I thought he was trolling so i went and looked at the brackets myself. Indeed i didn't find my name in the brackets. Was it really that years of BF fast imping, planned and practised Arena Trushing and with hundreds of trees cut with trebuchets in BF this was all i ended up in?

Now facing the reality that i need to go back to my cycle of dull life grinding 17+ BF rooms for my 2k TG rate knowing that no-one will ever find out what the best strategy was for WK Arena.
Very emotional stuff. Hard luck man. Stopping Youtube tutorials must be the reason for this. :-)

Warm Regards
KTGOZone
 

SloveniaModri

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Another highlight: young Melkor tries to take revenge for his brother's fall at the hands of King Marv in Arena Battlegrounds.
 

Franceedie

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I think bracket should be redone and adjusted asap before it’s too late. I can’t devote any time today but bracket is just senseless some player get free road to top 8 and even top 4 while they are definitmy not even top 16, there is bracket with Arabia player who didn’t play a single arena, I say this after talking with few of the others arena experts. Personally I don’t care and I like challenge and I’m not even disappointed with my bracket i don’t mind, I am more sad about my arena buddies, who are way stronger than some that get free pass to top4. this has to be one of the unfairest bracket ever made. Huge disappointment, in ur seeding rule u said u can adjust seeding, seems u just used rating and didn’t adjust anything.
 

United StatesMetalRTS

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I think bracket should be redone and adjusted asap before it’s too late. I can’t devote any time today but bracket is just senseless some player get free road to top 8 and even top 4 while they are definitmy not even top 16, there is bracket with Arabia player who didn’t play a single arena, I say this after talking with few of the others arena experts. Personally I don’t care and I like challenge and I’m not even disappointed with my bracket i don’t mind, but this has to be one of the unfairest bracket ever made. Huge disappointment, in ur seeding rule u said u can adjust seeding, seems u just used rating and didn’t adjust anything.
I had similar thought when I seen brackets. I agree. I think players should be seeded based on current+highest rated maybe?
 

United StatesInfluenza

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nah I'm sure it's fine. It was fine when arena players got into KoTD and took spots from far more deserving players. Should be ok in this tournament too
 

Franceedie

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The thing is there is non arena guy having bracket that have to play only non arena guy 11. It’s like if in kotd I had to play R1 Metal R2 happy happy and I get to top 4 like this.
 
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I think bracket should be redone and adjusted asap before it’s too late. I can’t devote any time today but bracket is just senseless some player get free road to top 8 and even top 4 while they are definitmy not even top 16, there is bracket with Arabia player who didn’t play a single arena, I say this after talking with few of the others arena experts. Personally I don’t care and I like challenge and I’m not even disappointed with my bracket i don’t mind, but this has to be one of the unfairest bracket ever made. Huge disappointment, in ur seeding rule u said u can adjust seeding, seems u just used rating and didn’t adjust anything.
I had similar thought when I seen brackets. I agree. I think players should be seeded based on current+highest rated maybe?
This is exactly what I did metal, the bracket is final and will not be redone
 

Franceedie

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Ur rules that u can adjust seeding of player is useless then remove it, u didn’t use it. Having for exemple stark vs Stefan r32, métal vs melkor r32, and some bact vs xiaofan in round 16 to get top 8, is hurting a lot 11. (No offense to anyone mentionned)
 

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nah I'm sure it's fine. It was fine when arena players got into KoTD and took spots from far more deserving players. Should be ok in this tournament too
That's price of being inactive and with entitlement attitude. If you want play in rating-required tournament then get rating.
I didn't have any intention of playing in the tournament. I'm just pointing out thats its totally hypocritical to be ok with arena players in arabia tournament and not the opposite, when the seeding specifications are exactly the same. You guys probably are referring to BacTs group. I guess arena players should have got their ratings higher to take his spot
 

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nah I'm sure it's fine. It was fine when arena players got into KoTD and took spots from far more deserving players. Should be ok in this tournament too
That's price of being inactive and with entitlement attitude. If you want play in rating-required tournament then get rating.
Doesn't that exact same argument counter any points you make about "arena players" being "disadvantaged" by not having a high enough rating to get over "arabia players".
 

United StatesMetalRTS

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No. I'm talking about R1 and R2 games. Thats whats absolutely need to be adjusted. Example from http://challonge.com/moa3

all 2k2+ players were seeded to R2 and did not have to play R1 and were guaranteed to play someone of their match in R3. This was done so no lower rated player gets stomped out instantly and probably most important (no mid level players get free passes to R3 or even R4 when players much better than them were eliminated in R2.

It's along the lines of Yo vs Stark in R1 of Kotd.
 

Netherlandsnimanoe

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Whatever method you use, seeding will never be perfect. The admins chose to just focus on ratings and there will be some anomalies, but if they had drawn seeding themselves there would probably be some mistakes as well, especially since it's hard to judge how well players will do on WK + Arena if that isn't their usual settings.

As for the rule saying they can adjust seeding, I think that's just included as a back-up, I don't think the admins intended on using it.
 

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Czech RepublicDraCoNT

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KotD brackets shouldn't have been done this way, neither should be this one at least for top players. And don't take it as my personal complaint, there are at least 8 better players than Tim seeded behind him. You have melkor vs Metal, Vinch vs Modri and extremely sick matchup Stefan vs St4rk in R2, compare that with Terror vs ACCM, Keif vs Lyx and me vs Tim. Similar as KotD had Lierey vs happy happy and Jordan played Viper in R2. I'd never trade my opponent for anybody else mentioned above. And the worst thing is Laan vs xiaofan and Mahya vs Hera - 4 players not playing Arena and 2 of them will get to R16 = they'll get at least to double elimination, while Stefan + Melkor + Modri (just an example, I have no idea who I'd favour) might be already out. And those players know the meta (which isn't FI trebs in 90% games), they played many drafts, they know the strength of WK civs on Arena.

Top Arena players don't have ratings as the 2k4 and the reason is very simple. Arena has way less players than Arabia. If I play Terror one day (and we both start as 2100), let's say one of us gets 2200 after long session of games, other 2k. The other day I go play ag, either I play vs some other 2000 - 2100, but possibly I'll play again vs Terror and it's very likely our ratings will get closer, because of the big rating difference. After 3 days of playing and winning, regardless how good I play - playing vs any other top Arena player will very likely decrease my rating in the long run. So comparing Arabia and Arena ratings can't work, Edie's 2k5 is very impressive, but he could never get 2k5 if Metal didn't get 2350 before playing Edie. If any Arabia player would dominate the Ara community as much as Edie dominates Arena, he'd get 2k75+.

I think it should be done differently, but also it was said it will be this way, now it's too late to complain. Still very unfortunate for some players, I hope for rating adjustments at least for 2nd stage - top16.
 

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The hypocrisy is strong on this one. Arena players got free pass to kotd bumping Arabia pros, nobody complained back then.
 

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