KotD4 | Discussion & Talk

[SuperskinnyBLS]

soo
Viper?

Viper doesn't have a real job unlike MBL

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Viper doesn't have a real job unlike MBL

So he is less affected by playing a series in the evening than MBL?

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

So he is less affected by playing a series in the evening than MBL?

Yes, that's the case in my opinion. He can adjust his sleep schedule easily not having to get up with obligations the next morning.

 

[wincher01]

So he is less affected by playing a series in the evening than MBL?

How could you believe otherwise...

 

[lecracheursagacite]

How could you believe otherwise...

I guess you could say it is obvious enough I didn't need to ask to make sure.

 

[wincher01]

Sorry for the defensive tone, sometimes it's hard to know if you (or anybody) are really asking the question or arguing for the opposite point

 

[Dusk2Dawn]

Hera will have a free path to the quarterfinals; he will be facing vinchester at a good hour for canada, an atrocious hour for rusia

 

[wincher01]

Yeah I long for the day when the schedule is made based on time zones and not match up hype

 

[kw1k000000]

Hera will have a free path to the quarterfinals; he will be facing vinchester at a good hour for canada, an atrocious hour for rusia

Yeah it's almost midnight for Vinch while afternoon for Hera. Could easily start this as 1st series of the day so 3 hours earlier. 9PM start is much better than midnight start.

 

[Dusk2Dawn]

Yeah it's almost midnight for Vinch while afternoon for Hera. Could easily start this as 1st series of the day so 3 hours earlier. 9PM start is much better than midnight start.

you would think that is the case; the middle of the series will be after 1 am , the schedule was prolonged pretty much everyday; IMO the whole competition day starts too late; till now, MBL got the short end of the stick, vinchester will join him with an even later series

 

[longinator]

the schedule was prolonged pretty much everyday; IMO the whole competition day starts too late

I would agree that this was the case for the Ro32 which started at 15:00 GMT
Last matches of the day were:

• dogao vs F1Re: 20:20 GMT
• Vinchester vs TheMax: 22:00 GMT
• Liereyy vs Daniel: 20:30 GMT
• Hera vs Zuppi: 22:40 GMT

For the group stage, they adjusted it to start at 14:00 GMT
Last matches of the day were:

• Liereyy vs slam: 19:35 GMT
• Hera vs Sitaux: 20:35 GMT
• Nicov vs dogao: 21:30 GMT
• TheViper vs MbL: 22:15 GMT

There is only the last day which is an outliner for the group stage.
Tbf though for this friday, I can see all 4 decider matches going long/till the 5th game. But they also haven't announced the exact schedule yet so maybe wait for that.

PS: Times were taken from the Liquipedia page. We normally take the exact starting time and round them in 5min intervalls. If you find any mistakes, feel free to point them out or correct them yourself in the wiki!

 

[Pevio]

Late-night games have always been a reality, and they will continue to be if only one game is played at a time. It's always midnight somewhere. I personally think start times should be an hour or so earlier each day - even 13:00 or 12:00 GMT is reasonable. The only way to really help is to let players schedule matches themselves, but that would be worse for fans who just want to know when the big names are playing.

 

[Dusk2Dawn]

I would agree that this was the case for the Ro32 which started at 15:00 GMT
Last matches of the day were:

• dogao vs F1Re: 20:20 GMT
• Vinchester vs TheMax: 22:00 GMT
• Liereyy vs Daniel: 20:30 GMT
• Hera vs Zuppi: 22:40 GMT

For the group stage, they adjusted it to start at 14:00 GMT
Last matches of the day were:

• Liereyy vs slam: 19:35 GMT
• Hera vs Sitaux: 20:35 GMT
• Nicov vs dogao: 21:30 GMT
• TheViper vs MbL: 22:15 GMT

There is only the last day which is an outliner for the group stage.
Tbf though for this friday, I can see all 4 decider matches going long/till the 5th game. But they also haven't announced the exact schedule yet so maybe wait for that.

PS: Times were taken from the Liquipedia page. We normally take the exact starting time and round them in 5min intervalls. If you find any mistakes, feel free to point them out or correct them yourself in the wiki!

we are talking about rusia local hour; 7 out of the 8 game you stated started AFTER 11pm for vinchester, half of the 8 games started AFTER midnight for vinchester; as i said, middle of the match will be after 1am for him

 

[Dusk2Dawn]

Late-night games have always been a reality, and they will continue to be if only one game is played at a time. It's always midnight somewhere. I personally think start times should be an hour or so earlier each day - even 13:00 or 12:00 GMT is reasonable. The only way to really help is to let players schedule matches themselves, but that would be worse for fans who just want to know when the big names are playing.

agree; start the whole tournament day 2 hours earlier and you solve 90% of the problems; if canada vs europe or vietnam vs south america happens, adjust it maybe so neither of the players are playing at impossible hours; let's face it: memb's morning is 13:00 time, that's the root cause of most of these schedules

 

[oozkan]

Playing last and most hyped games at 22:00 GMT or afterwards is a mistake. Prime time of AOE2 is 19:00 - 21:00 GMT. Memb should reconsider hours for his own good, Ideally last match should start at 20:00 GMT, not later.

Additionally, in last 7 days AOE2 reached 3K average viewers with KOTD bump, on the other hand AOE4 is still around 10K. This game is almost dead.

 

[longinator]

@Dusk2Dawn And you know that Vinchester's match will be the last set of the day? Is there a calendar post from Chrazini/Memb or an announcement in the discord server? Because I dont see any of those.
The Liquipedia dates are still the default ones, set up before the tournament even began.

And even if Vinchester is gonna have the last match, its a sad reality in the AoE2 competitive scene that Asians and to some degree Eastern Europeans have to play late/midnight because tournament organizers have to cater the audience (majority coming from NA/SA/Europe). In the end it is, less viewers, no sponsors, no tournament for the players to begin with (dramatically speaking).

Other esport titles do regional tournaments to overcome that issue. But that would be not feasible with how little the scene is and I'm glad that we can have those matches with players from different continents.

 

[Don Dinardoni]

@Dusk2Dawn And you know that Vinchester's match will be the last set of the day? Is there a calendar post from Chrazini/Memb or an announcement in the discord server? Because I dont see any of those.
The Liquipedia dates are still the default ones, set up before the tournament even began.

And even if Vinchester is gonna have the last match, its a sad reality in the AoE2 competitive scene that Asians and to some degree Eastern Europeans have to play late/midnight because tournament organizers have to cater the audience (majority coming from NA/SA/Europe). In the end it is, less viewers, no sponsors, no tournament for the players to begin with (dramatically speaking).

Other esport titles do regional tournaments to overcome that issue. But that would be not feasible with how little the scene is and I'm glad that we can have those matches with players from different continents.

Schedule for Friday the 3rd of December
14.00 GMT, DauT vs Villese
16.30 GMT, TaToH vs Nicov
19.00 GMT, MbL vs Sitaux
21.30 GMT, Hera vs Vinchester

 

[Don Dinardoni]

This game is almost dead.

Cannot help but disagree here. Shifting player and viewer numbers were to be expected considering the hype around AoE4. However, already now we see that the average number of monthly AoE2 players is not negatively affected. We also see that player numbers dropped in the last month for both games. Obviously, there is no long-term data for AoE4, yet. But for AoE2, the numbers are well within the normal fluctuation of the past two years (since the release of DE).
Viewer and channel numbers follow a similar trend. I fully expect an AoE4 bounce with the upcoming SteelSeries Prime Cup (20k$ event).
Eventually, I think they will coexist. The games differ enough to attract their own base while being similar enough to make fans of the one at least take a look at the other.
Of course, predictions are difficult - especially about the future. So we will have to wait and see.
But as players, viewers, and sponsors, I think we should be glad to have this diversity.

Edit: A friend pointed out that you may have referred to AoE4. I obviously interpreted it as directed to AoE2. If so, sorry about that

 

[KolyaKrasotkin]

What is Vinchester's time zone? Russia has kinda a lot of them.

 

[MembTV]

Hello guys hope that you guys are enjoying as much as i do with KOTD4, about players scheduled games, is a teamwork we do, is not memb who decide everything.

We try to get the best possible times for everyone involved, when there is that many games involved like has been till now, about this week there is many things being considered when involve these amount of players, i personally wanted DauT series last or 3rd according to the prime time mentioned before but we made the schedule with the intention to give everyone the best times possible for all.

About Vinchester, i personally talked to him and he told me that is fine for him, he is so great and positive and even told me, memb if i lose count with me to cast more games together, so you can imagine how the great russian bother about the time he is playing.

Lets enjoy this weekend because is going to be epic.

We love this game.

 

[Ovenka]

It would be nice to see Vinch as a co-caster again, as much I as enjoy co-casting of expert players, he gives a lot of gameplay info and he has so much to say all the time, he doesn´t need to make jokes in every sentence like someone of other experts, still I love both styles 11

 

[eC_Gurke]

Hello guys hope that you guys are enjoying as much as i do with KOTD4, about players scheduled games, is a teamwork we do, is not memb who decide everything.

We try to get the best possible times for everyone involved, when there is that many games involved like has been till now, about this week there is many things being considered when involve these amount of players, i personally wanted DauT series last or 3rd according to the prime time mentioned before but we made the schedule with the intention to give everyone the best times possible for all.

About Vinchester, i personally talked to him and he told me that is fine for him, he is so great and positive and even told me, memb if i lose count with me to cast more games together, so you can imagine how the great russian bother about the time he is playing.

Lets enjoy this weekend because is going to be epic.

We love this game.

Thanks for the info. Its nice to know that you guys kept playing times in mind.
I kinda agreed with some people here that it feels weird to have vinch play last, but I hope people can accept, that he seems to be totally fine with it (according to quoted post).

Hyped for the next games

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Schedule for Friday the 3rd of December
14.00 GMT, DauT vs Villese
16.30 GMT, TaToH vs Nicov
19.00 GMT, MbL vs Sitaux
21.30 GMT, Hera vs Vinchester

Any of the other three sets seem like more appropriate candidates for 21.30 start time than that one. No other player lives as far east as Vinchester does and 19.00 at the very least does not impose an unreasonably early start time on Hera.

Edit: Just saw the later posts above this. If he is genuinely okay with it then I do agree there is nothing to complain about. If players are actually being consulted about what works with their schedule and that is actually being taken into account I think that is a credit to the people organizing the tournament.

 

[dooog]

Great tournament so far, maybe the best KotD since the first one. Good job on the map too it's usually fair and lends itself to different types of games.

One thing i don't understand is why Khmer are usually so high in drafts

 

[archxeon]

Hello guys hope that you guys are enjoying as much as i do with KOTD4, about players scheduled games, is a teamwork we do, is not memb who decide everything.

We try to get the best possible times for everyone involved, when there is that many games involved like has been till now, about this week there is many things being considered when involve these amount of players, i personally wanted DauT series last or 3rd according to the prime time mentioned before but we made the schedule with the intention to give everyone the best times possible for all.

About Vinchester, i personally talked to him and he told me that is fine for him, he is so great and positive and even told me, memb if i lose count with me to cast more games together, so you can imagine how the great russian bother about the time he is playing.

Lets enjoy this weekend because is going to be epic.

We love this game.

I really like this post because of the way the criticism was addressed and the way it was conveyed. Memb becoming pro at PR.