Is TheViper's dynasty over?

[LowEloNobody]

aoezone trolls in shambles

Tbh, will be the best content for the trolls. Running out of good drama threads

 

[Giuseppe551]

aoezone trolls in shambles

EGC: announces that he's not done hosting aoe4 tournaments
Aoezone: literally doesn't react at all because none of us care what he does with his money
Lord Bolton: aoezone trolls in shambles

 

[willdbeast]

Aoezone: literally doesn't react at all because none of us care what he does with his money

hey i'd rather this than spending it on ketamines or something

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

 

[Salawen]

i feel like he is loosing his dynasty again. he didnt win resurgence, rms cup 2 and now ttl. his last s tear tournament win was wandering warios cup.

 

[_Andrew]

This is his second time losing to Villese in a major tournament (RBW 3)

Maybe a bad matchup stylistically or just an off day. Villese has come a long ways though, seems like him and Vinchester are knocking on the door of the top-4... could throw Jordan in that group too although I still think the 4 best players are Lierey, Viper, Hera and Yo in some order.

 

[Instinctz]

i feel like he is loosing his dynasty again. he didnt win resurgence, rms cup 2 and now ttl. his last s tear tournament win was wandering warios cup.

first of all, he literally just spent about half a year ignoring aoe2 to play aoe4, so of course he's rusty.
second of all, Villese played PHENOMINALLY the entire series.

The viper is not dead. is he the undisputed king of aoe2 with no threats in sight? no. and thank god for that because it makes the game more interesting to watch when it's not just viper steam rolling everyone.

 

[Russeljones]

Viper was semi-trolling. Sicilians feudal donjon rush into Saracen CA vs Magyars. You guys are the experts.

 

[amazing_knight]

Don't care about who the best player is or whose dynasty is it. 11

But Villese-Viper set was amazing, that last arena game was absolutely fun to watch. One of the best performances ever by Villese.

 

[amazing_knight]

Viper was semi-trolling. Sicilians feudal donjon rush into Saracen CA vs Magyars. You guys are the experts.

And there we go. Always some guy. 11

PS - Btw can you explain what to go with Saracens against Magyars, if not for the Camel-CA combo which Viper tried?

 

[Russeljones]

And there we go. Always some guy. 11

PS - Btw can you explain what to go with Saracens against Magyars?

You tell me. I would not make a unit I know my opponent is far more proficient in without a crushing eco advantage. Did you watch the Viper vs Yo set? The difference was night and day.

PS: I would rather assume he trolls than underestimates his opponent. I think the latter is more disrespectful.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

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[amazing_knight]

You tell me. I would not make a unit I know my opponent is far more proficient in without a crushing eco advantage

So you yourself don't know what to make with Saracens against Magyars, but Viper must've been trolling because he made Camels and CAs? 11
Tell me if he was trolling why did he even go 150 vills in the first place?

I would rather assume he trolls than underestimates his opponent. I think the latter is more disrespectful.

So those are the only two options for you - either viper was trolling or he underestimated the opponent? Do you think there is a 3rd option, ie, Viper tried but Villese just played better today and outplayed Viper?

What Viper fanboys don't realise is that they're actually disrespecting Viper more by implying he was trolling.

 

[Russeljones]

So you yourself don't know what to make with Saracens against Magyars, but Viper must've been trolling because he made Camels and CAs? 11
Tell me if he was trolling why did he even go 150 vills in the first place?


So those are the only two options for you - either viper was trolling or he underestimated the opponent? Do you think there is a 3rd option, ie, Viper tried but Villese just played better today and outplayed Viper?

What Viper fanboys don't realise is that they're actually disrespecting Viper more by implying he was trolling.

Instead of ad hominems, I expected an actual argument. I ask you again: why was Viper able to stomp Yo yesterday and looked so tame against Villese today? Was there really no strategic and tactical alternative to how he played (yes those militia line upgrades vs the Magyars weren't convincing that he was not trolling)?

 

[akku]

Instead of ad hominems, I expected an actual argument. I ask you again: why was Viper able to stomp Yo yesterday and looked so tame against Villese today? Was there really no strategic and tactical alternative to how he played (yes those militia line upgrades vs the Magyars weren't convincing that he was not trolling)?

I mean, it just wasn't his day.
The draft was off, the strategies were off.

He even resigned from a decent position as Sicilians.

It happens. Just wasn't his day. No need to assume he was trolling, he underestimated etc. Why would he do that in an S tier tourney?

 

[Seahorsegallop]

Villese played constantly at an extremely high level today, really well played.

Sorry to see Viper go out 4-1, but it was just not his day, his draft, some decisions and some luck just didn't go his way. He is still the GOAT and no sign of letting up, thankfully.

I agree it's good to see other players, but sad when it's at the expense of Viper :-(

 

[Seahorsegallop]

Villese played constantly at an extremely high level today, really well played.

Sorry to see Viper go out 4-1, but it was just not his day, his draft, some decisions and some luck just didn't go his way. He is still the GOAT and no sign of letting up, thankfully.

I agree it's good to see other players, but sad when it's at the expense of Viper :-(

One of the few tourneys were a third place play off would have been great. Looking forward to the final though.

 

[Umdeuter]

Did you watch the Viper vs Yo set? The difference was night and day.

yeah he was winning there, then he was losing in the other

night and day

 

[FolderOfDoom]

yes those militia line upgrades vs the Magyars weren't convincing that he was not trolling)?

If you watch PoV recs its very likely from what he could see (4-5 barracks with flags on them), his first expectation from Villese was mass Halbs with CA behind so he thought about Champ/CA.
He went 150 Vils just for the sake of having an eco to do 2 expensive Gold armies but got kinda suprised by the HUssar switch of Villese. SO he went back to Camel + CA and got out of motion with that 180 tech/unit change imo. He just wasted some res worth like 3 camels on that 2 Inf techs he got, so borderline not even any impact on the game at all btw.
Villese also did a perfect job sniping Vipers way higher CA numbers at all times till he was in favor himself.

And CA+Camel is literally the only comp Saracen can make vs post imp Magyars spaming MagHUssar+CA ....

 

[Lokalo]

If you watch PoV recs its very likely from what he could see (4-5 barracks with flags on them), his first expectation from Villese was mass Halbs with CA behind so he thought about Champ/CA.
He went 150 Vils just for the sake of having an eco to do 2 expensive Gold armies but got kinda suprised by the HUssar switch of Villese. SO he went back to Camel + CA and got out of motion with that 180 tech/unit change imo. He just wasted some res worth like 3 camels on that 2 Inf techs he got, so borderline not even any impact on the game at all btw.
Villese also did a perfect job sniping Vipers way higher CA numbers at all times till he was in favor himself.

And CA+Camel is literally the only comp Saracen can make vs post imp Magyars spaming MagHUssar+CA ....

Well he himself said that he thought he will switch to halbs to counter Viper's camels, but then after game he also was saying like it's so much more likely to switch into CA, that it was poor decision to add barracks there and should have went more into camels. Not sure if it's a bad day or maybe still lacking a bit due aoe4, but Viper himself was unhappy about his performance and said he is fine to lose, but feel like played quite bad. Also losing like 600 wood+ and some food and gold while going to imp when resources is super tight is very impactful, could add many farms or just do more CA, also he didn't realise he had no partihian tactics. So yeah, quite a few mistakes, I think letting them to replay game from going to imp Viper would win it almost every single time.

Also anyone know if he had 15% movement speed UT for houfnice in bohemian vs turks game?

 

[malamadre]

Why are we still calling Viper, Lierey, Hera and Yo the top 4 players?
Lierey last 1v1 S tier tournament was reb bull 4 more than 1 year ago, but that doesnt even count since is empire wars. Lierey last big 1v1 win was KOTD 3 like 2 years ago.
Hera last 1v1 S tier tournament won was Holy Cup (memeish tournament) 11 months ago. Before that HC4.
Viper won the Nomad tournament and KOTD 4.
Mr Yo has won: RMS Cup, The resurgence and The Open Classic. 3 Relevant mixed map tournaments. And this guy is called the 4th best player? He is a beast.

I only see Viper and Mr Yo relevant in the top player discussion. Lierey and Hera and good, super good actually. But why do we call them Top 4?

Viper dinasty stills looks over tho.

 

[Tarsiz]

I think it's pretty clear these four are not heads and shoulders above the rest like they used to.

Liereyy especially, has been struggling with form lately.

 

[LmScar12]

Also anyone know if he had 15% movement speed UT for houfnice in bohemian vs turks game?

He did, he got it super early, on the way up to imp iirc.

 

[HelloWorld]

I only see Viper and Mr Yo relevant in the top player discussion. Lierey and Hera and good, super good actually. But why do we call them Top 4?

Vinchester, Villese, Viper, Yo Top 4 then?

 

[Liamsmalley7]

Why are we still calling Viper, Lierey, Hera and Yo the top 4 players?
Lierey last 1v1 S tier tournament was reb bull 4 more than 1 year ago, but that doesnt even count since is empire wars. Lierey last big 1v1 win was KOTD 3 like 2 years ago.
Hera last 1v1 S tier tournament won was Holy Cup (memeish tournament) 11 months ago. Before that HC4.
Viper won the Nomad tournament and KOTD 4.
Mr Yo has won: RMS Cup, The resurgence and The Open Classic. 3 Relevant mixed map tournaments. And this guy is called the 4th best player? He is a beast.

I only see Viper and Mr Yo relevant in the top player discussion. Lierey and Hera and good, super good actually. But why do we call them Top 4?

Viper dinasty stills looks over tho.

Hera is ahead of Yo right now for sure. He completely dominated his group stage including a win vs Villese and a 3-0 vs Yo.

Liereyy probably has some catching up to do but he'll be back to his peak soon I'm sure, RBW is not far away now..