AOE-II DE How Would you Rate the Currant State of AoE2 DE?

[LowEloNobody]

I miss range upgrades on TC through fletching too. Tired of being pushed with mangonels, while 3 4 tcs booming

Just play lithuanians. EZ

 

[kalpit00]

Good luck with CS (studying EE too by any chance?). Not to crap on it, but to quote the Dalai Lama, it feels more like a dry science 11. Seems hard that way.

More of an AI/ML focus and yeah CS in general is pretty dry ngl 11 but there's a lot of potential in the field.

 

[otw_Da]

i would rate it "nomad". everyone has food everywhere, way to easy, way to many resources. less randomness, only boom and castledrops, sometimes a bit waterwar. less chaos, less hard fight for survival.
and the worst is this ugly yellow line and shared teamvision
just an unbelievable boring expierence long term
not long time ago it was for me "longer I play more I want" only one limit was there "damn I need to sleep". today after one game I already feel "boah boring... one game was enough"
ranked matchmaking is not worth clicking it
rage forest community best example that you dont need such a thing. different players with different elos can still create unbelievable nice and enjoyable games - most of them would never match in ranked matchmaking

 

[Progeusz]

If people do not understand that Ranked = Competitive

People will never understand that because it is completely wrong. You would have to be utterly deluded to think like that.
Ranked = always playing vs people of your level.
That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

The goal of ranked, whatever the game is, is to play for elo or rank.

You have your priorities messed up. Rank/elo only exist in order to provide fair games. They aren't the goal. They are merely the mean to enable the goal which is providing as fair games to as meany people as possible.
Games are entertainment. Fair matches are more fun than unfair matches. That's why elo and similar systems exist.
If you play for elo, you're just a wannabe tryhard who only cares about boosting himself and definitely shouldn't be listened to when it comes to improving the game for everyone.

 

[OGN]

Rank is what defines your performance and what you are capable of.
For those who just want to play without worrying about it, the custom lobby is the way to go.

"If you play for elo, you're just a beginner" Ok if you want, I can't figure out the connection but ok. Hera will be happy to know that he is a beginner knowing that in the last few days he was only playing for reach 2k8

The elo allows to propose balanced games yes (except that today it is not the case)

But it also allows to distinguish itself. To filter. To propose a goal.

Anyway, your avatar is a manga.

 

[Paint]

Your avatar is a manga.

It's nice that we agree on something.

 

[Influenza]

i wonder how many people encounter the "tc spawn point changes randomly" glitch. Just today in a game i have my vills spawning to a random location that I never even looked. One second my spawn point is normal, next second it's forward near my army, next second it's in between my base and my ally's base. i might have to revise my 4/10 rating down

 

[Progeusz]

i wonder how many people encounter the "tc spawn point changes randomly" glitch. Just today in a game i have my vills spawning to a random location that I never even looked. One second my spawn point is normal, next second it's forward near my army, next second it's in between my base and my ally's base. i might have to revise my 4/10 rating down

Supposedly it's related to detection lag where it recognizes right click with delay/doesn't recognize deselection of TC and it can place the waypoint on the minimap if you hovered above it - so the waypoint can get set pretty much anywhere on the map.

 

[kalpit00]

Supposedly it's related to detection lag where it recognizes right click with delay/doesn't recognize deselection of TC and it can place the waypoint on the minimap if you hovered above it - so the waypoint can get set pretty much anywhere on the map.

^ this.

Its not exactly a bug per se, it's more of a misclick which happens if you are clicking too fast and the game doesn't register all your clicks at that exact second. So if your mouse hovered over the minimap at the next microseconds, those clicks would get registered when the mouse was at a different position, on the minimap to be precise, and if you have this unfortunate combination where you have your TC selected (if creating vils), you reset the tc gather point somewhere on the minimap

 

[otw_Da]

^ this.

Its not exactly a bug per se, it's more of a misclick which happens if you are clicking too fast and the game doesn't register all your clicks at that exact second. So if your mouse hovered over the minimap at the next microseconds, those clicks would get registered when the mouse was at a different position, on the minimap to be precise, and if you have this unfortunate combination where you have your TC selected (if creating vils), you reset the tc gather point somewhere on the minimap

Ah! Good to know - if you don't know that an this situation happens is very confusing. Goodbye random vills meeting in enemy base or some lost dark place in the corner.

 

[JayGould]

Very good but need to change to 9 villager start.

 

[Timbrhoggvandi]

i wonder how many people encounter the "tc spawn point changes randomly" glitch. Just today in a game i have my vills spawning to a random location that I never even looked. One second my spawn point is normal, next second it's forward near my army, next second it's in between my base and my ally's base. i might have to revise my 4/10 rating down

Pretty sure I had this happen in a game a few days ago (not 100% certain though). So I'm guessing it's fairly common unfortunately

 

[Zbyszek]

What exactly are the demands of the majority of the community?
And how do you know that's in fact the majority if we don't have access to any data on these things?

Dude it took like 2 years after people in the forums brought up the bug with TG elo to fix that and reset elo. Nothing fundamental has changed since then. They are milking the game with powercrept DLC civs with designs that the original developers intentionally didnt put in. They have been looking hopless against cheaters for like 3 years. They have no way of seriously reporting people. Their lobby system is ****. matchmaking forces you to play maps you dont want. pathing sucks. performance on low end hardware sucks. clans are useless. social features are useless making Discord the only viable way of finding decent teamgames.
Thats just the stuff that came to my mind in 2 Minutes.
Edit: Oh and add all those weird bugs where you click sth and it doesnt register or when TC gather points randomly jump.

 

[KoTR_Darkflame]

It needs a bit of TLC I think now they're getting a console gamer payday

I'm getting the TC gather point issue and the pathing is still clunky.
In game chat can sometimes bug out.
CBA games have players that drop 1/4
The lobby is slow to update, and janky in terms of showing real time updates to the room.
And as of yesterday my rooms are completely invisible to others (i have crossplay enabled, latest version and its a public room)
The lobby itself is just a clunky GUI considering the zone did it better more than two decades ago. Lobby chat is so vital to actually communicate with the community in any way whatsoever. The zone used to be a cool place to hang out and now it feels a bit sterile. I appreciate this requires moderation of any trolls or whatever, but i'm faily sure they could farm that out to respected members of the community.

 

[SouFire]

A lot of friends are having constant crashes while playing and most of us have got our bench scores lower than previously which could translate into worse performance in late game, is anyone experiencing the same?

 

[MaSmOrRa]

Dude it took like 2 years after people in the forums brought up the bug with TG elo to fix that and reset elo. Nothing fundamental has changed since then. They are milking the game with powercrept DLC civs with designs that the original developers intentionally didnt put in. They have been looking hopless against cheaters for like 3 years. They have no way of seriously reporting people. Their lobby system is ****. matchmaking forces you to play maps you dont want. pathing sucks. performance on low end hardware sucks. clans are useless. social features are useless making Discord the only viable way of finding decent teamgames.
Thats just the stuff that came to my mind in 2 Minutes.
Edit: Oh and add all those weird bugs where you click sth and it doesnt register or when TC gather points randomly jump.

Again, it sucks that's how you experience the game and I'm not in anyway saying that's not bad.

But you and others here (and me too for the longest time) seem to be totally unwilling to even entertain the thought that these things you mention above are absolutely *irrelevant* to a big portion of the player base.

In fact I suspect the vast vast majority of the player base has no idea what civs are good or bad in a competitive setting.
They have no idea what good or bad pathing is from a competitive perspective.
They probably have no idea what their Elo even is if they only play a few games with friends here and there.

Again, the player base for DE is absolutely massive.
Easily over 300k unique players monthly.

If you're someone who used to play on Voobly, chances are you are a very good player and the way you see/experience the game is *very* different from the vast majority of the casual player base.

 

[Zbyszek]

I think even casual players will notice that their experience is worse than in other games, even if they cant pin point why that is.
if the majority uses lobbies then why not make them rated? How does it benefit a noob when he has literally no clue what the skill of his oponents will be. He will just get farmed.
Everyone will notice that the search function and filters for lobbies dont work properly if they have ever tried to find a game.
There is a reason why this game has so many people only playing campaigns while all the big titles that arent RPGs focus on multiplayer.
The people that want to compete in multiplayer probably left when they saw Cumans where still broken months after launch.

 

[Lokalo]

Again, it sucks that's how you experience the game and I'm not in anyway saying that's not bad.

But you and others here (and me too for the longest time) seem to be totally unwilling to even entertain the thought that these things you mention above are absolutely *irrelevant* to a big portion of the player base.

In fact I suspect the vast vast majority of the player base has no idea what civs are good or bad in a competitive setting.
They have no idea what good or bad pathing is from a competitive perspective.
They probably have no idea what their Elo even is if they only play a few games with friends here and there.

Again, the player base for DE is absolutely massive.
Easily over 300k unique players monthly.

If you're someone who used to play on Voobly, chances are you are a very good player and the way you see/experience the game is *very* different from the vast majority of the casual player base.

Well yes and no. Sure most people play aoe2 like my father, watching tv with one eye or drinking some beer and just chilling after work day killing AI for fun. Although that's at same time is bit weird argument for this forum, as none of those players care what is patched nor if game is balanced as you said.

Is just natural that people in this forum will talk about more of competitive area/settings, there might be few people, but probably most people who never play 1v1 or TG ladder are not in forum reading stuff about game they don't take seriously.

It just feels wrong you want to emphise this argument so much, because tournaments get huge prize pools being sponsored. I don't know how profitable or not those tournaments are, but with such prize pools makes no sense to ignore competitive scene as much and how many ppl play competitively is quite irrelevant here in my opinion. Because to make such patches is basically about resources/money and seems there is quite a bit of money.

If they wouldnt patch and sponsor tournaments, then I could see your argument being valid, that they focus only on those casual players. But spending like half million on prize pools per year and not having even decent stat page, friend list/chat just makes no sense.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

There is a reason why this game has so many people only playing campaigns while all the big titles that arent RPGs focus on multiplayer.

RTS games have always had more single players than multiplayers.
Even Starcraft 2.

 

[Drunken_master]

game crashed just before start and get punish 5 min ban
gg wp ty de amazing job with the ne wpatch

 

[MaSmOrRa]

Well yes and no. Sure most people play aoe2 like my father, watching tv with one eye or drinking some beer and just chilling after work day killing AI for fun. Although that's at same time is bit weird argument for this forum, as none of those players care what is patched nor if game is balanced as you said.

Is just natural that people in this forum will talk about more of competitive area/settings, there might be few people, but probably most people who never play 1v1 or TG ladder are not in forum reading stuff about game they don't take seriously.

It just feels wrong you want to emphise this argument so much, because tournaments get huge prize pools being sponsored. I don't know how profitable or not those tournaments are, but with such prize pools makes no sense to ignore competitive scene as much and how many ppl play competitively is quite irrelevant here in my opinion. Because to make such patches is basically about resources/money and seems there is quite a bit of money.

If they wouldnt patch and sponsor tournaments, then I could see your argument being valid, that they focus only on those casual players. But spending like half million on prize pools per year and not having even decent stat page, friend list/chat just makes no sense.

Sounds like you're confused regarding what this conversation is about.
And I don't blame you for that!

- I asked someone how do they know what the "majority" of players want;
- Zbyszek replied with this implying (or at least that's how I understood it) that's what the majority wants;
- I explained why I think what he calls the majority is in fact not even close to actually being the majority;

 

[Lokalo]

Sounds like you're confused regarding what this conversation is about.
And I don't blame you for that!

- I asked someone how do they know what the "majority" of players want;
- Zbyszek replied with this implying (or at least that's how I understood it) that's what the majority wants;
- I explained why I think what he calls the majority is in fact not even close to actually being the majority;

Yeah but my point is that those players don't care about anything at all, unless campaigns, many might not even care about it. So in a sense majority who actually wants something it might be those things. What I'm saying is yes, you are right with most people are just plebs who don't care about anything specific, they just play the game and don't care about any patches. But now question is what we do with that info? Like do we agree it's then good to do nothing and just release definitive edition v2 or we actually try to look bigger picture and don't ignore hundred of thousands prize pools for tournaments. I mean it might be interesting topic, however I'm not sure how we can evaluate ladder games exactly. If you want to play with friends, it mostly would be ladder or lobby games. All patches are according competitive play too. Even current AI acts mostly as a player in ladder, nowadays it even does drush(no idea if for plebs is good, but most plebs probably just play arena or something). But even if there are way less competitive players most patches and map updates are being done because of it, so in a sense game to grow and be better needs competitive scene(not talking just about top30, but overall ladder). It just somehow seems natural, that even if there are way less competitive players, but game is designed around it a lot, otherwise balance things doesn't really work. Then we ofc can talk about how game wasnt really touched for 15 years and wasnt that well balanced and it survived, although back then most games were not really patched or very rarely, currently if game is not being patched it signals game is dead or dieing and no one want to invite their friends and invest time into such game.

Quite a bit might not make as much sense as it might make in my head, but for me somehow it seems obvious that game without competitive scene can't last long and have a lot of viewers. Not neccessary be priority number 1, but the bigger competitive scene is the more game spreads eveywhere and in the end everyone benefit as the bigger game is the more game mods/campaigns we get etc, basically no matter if you play ladder or not, but the bigger game grows the more content you get.

 

[PlusNomad]

Anyone else finding stuck villagers not going idle this patch? Saw it happen multiple times yesterday, once whilst speccing a guy and switching to his POV to confirm - it lasted 45 minutes until the game ended. Also saw a berry villager get quick walled out and stayed that way until berries ended.

 

[Crawsack]

This forum never ceases to amaze me, the amount of people complaining about how terrible the game is, yet are on this forum all the time, consuming AoE2 content, talking about it, playing it, etc. but somehow, this is a horrible game, no balance, new civs are dumb, etc.

Have you tried playing other RTS games, and seen what issues they have?

AoE2 has issues, and I agree with the lack of ranked lobbies being an option is frustrating, and solo queuing TGs can be very not fun. But last night perfectly encapsulated why I love the game. I get online, see a few friends are on, get on a call on Discord, and play in an 8 player lobby doing Arena games, and it was a total blast. All the new civs keeps it fun and you never know what army comp people are gonna go for, it wasn't just knight/xbow over and over and over, there was all sorts of army comps mixed in. We had players of various skill levels playing all together, and everyone still had a lot of fun!

 

[Lokalo]

This forum never ceases to amaze me, the amount of people complaining about how terrible the game is, yet are on this forum all the time, consuming AoE2 content, talking about it, playing it, etc. but somehow, this is a horrible game, no balance, new civs are dumb, etc.

Have you tried playing other RTS games, and seen what issues they have?

AoE2 has issues, and I agree with the lack of ranked lobbies being an option is frustrating, and solo queuing TGs can be very not fun. But last night perfectly encapsulated why I love the game. I get online, see a few friends are on, get on a call on Discord, and play in an 8 player lobby doing Arena games, and it was a total blast. All the new civs keeps it fun and you never know what army comp people are gonna go for, it wasn't just knight/xbow over and over and over, there was all sorts of army comps mixed in. We had players of various skill levels playing all together, and everyone still had a lot of fun!

Well most do not say as it's a disaster game, but you have to be blind to not see that few civs are very dominant, especially in arena. Although that is another topic, as who knows what elo you are, if you are 800 elo, ofc it doesnt matter much and I dont mean it as bad/offensive, I trully think in 800 elo civ matters less.

However you mainly yourself did put it perfectly together. :"I get online, see a few friends are on, get on call on Discord". Where did you get online? Where did you make a call? When and how you made those friends? I mean you can't see sht in game if anyone is online or not, half time it shows they are offline even if they are on, not to mention there is no friend list at all or option to see if they are in the game. Like it's amazing that you had good time, but if someone new/newer comes, they have to somehow build/get those friends into discord and it's much more akward than adding players who you just played with in the game. Sure you might be able to just join lobby that someone created, but is different than getting 4 known people/friends into one lobby and playing as a team. That is fun, but is hard to get such friends/team because you need third party apps for that.