How to Upgrade My PC for 1080p Streaming

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Hi guys!
I've been streaming for a while now but always in 720p . My internet is OK, (28.94 Mbps Download ; 13.70 Mbps Upload )

I can't stream in 1080p so I figured it was because of my poor PC-specs

My brother knows a little bit about PC he said to me that since it's a HP working computer it's really hard to change components on it. He said that a gtx 1030 would fit and that it might help to stream in 1080p but he isn't sure though.

Can anyone that knows about this topic help me? Should I try and get a 1030? Or should I buy a new PC and forget about this one? What could I do to minimze costs, but still reach the 1080p - streaming?

Thanks in advance,
 
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Hey River,

when it comes to streaming AoE it's more important to have a stronger CPU instead of GPU. The GPU is not utilised much at all so your system is definitely bottle-necking in the CPU department. The CPU that you can use is determined by motherboard and I would suspect that you'd not be able to get the CPU you'd want in your current system.
GPUs are currently quite expensive due to crypto mining and a massive increase in demand. If you're just playing AoE2 and don't want solid performance in other games then you can go for a new PC which has a better CPU and save money by skimping on the GPU.
 

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I believe your GPU plays a very little role in terms of a good quality stream.

I'm sure someone else will give you a more informed answer, but I believe the main components should be a very strong CPU (your 2nd generation i5 definitely won't do the job :P) and a fast upload speed in your connection. I believe your 13 upload speed should be enough!
 

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Depends on the game for the GPU for aoc it is merely CPU, at 1080 you stress a lot the CPU it uses about 4 cores for only streaming, you see streaming at high res is about having more cores, also if you have a preset for encoding other than very fast at that resolution is going to put lot of load and stress to ur CPU almost 30% more on faster/fast, so stay on very fast.
 
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Thanks guys! Will have to buy a new PC then :frown: , I was imagining such an answer but had my hopes high since my PC doesnt have a graphic card at all, so I figured it might help some without having to buy a whole new pc.
Will then definitely take a look at buying new PC! What CPU do you recommend? I don't play new games or anything, just want a pc to play AoC and stream it in 1080p !
 
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Thanks guys! Will have to buy a new PC then :frown: , I was imagining such an answer but had my hopes high since my PC doesnt have a graphic card at all, so I figured it might help some without having to buy a whole new pc.
Will then definitely take a look at buying new PC! What CPU do you recommend? I don't play new games or anything, just want a pc to play AoC and stream it in 1080p !
If you can provide a budget I can provide a PC part list
 
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I was thinking in spending arround 600-800 U$D on a new PC. I would pay a little more if it was absolutely necessary for 1080p, yet I could not spend more than 1000 U$D, if it was necessary or preferable I'd have to wait a few months

Btw: i have a PC-case and a 1000 GB Hard Disk already
 
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I was thinking in spending arround 600-800 U$D on a new PC. I would pay a little more if it was absolutely necessary for 1080p, yet I could not spend more than 1000 U$D, if it was necessary or preferable I'd have to wait a few months

Btw: i have a PC-case and a 1000 GB Hard Disk already
If you don't buy a GPU at all you could get a pc for ~$700 that would work great.

Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor
Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply


Optional Extras:
250GB SSD
+ 8GB RAM (Actually important my bad)
GPU

The CPU I recommended is by far the best CPU for encoding at a low price.

Edit: Didn't see that you had a case and HDD already - you can take ~$100 off the price in that case. I'd probably add the extra stick of ram and add the SSD instead.
 
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thank you very mucho zak! Will see if it's cheaper to buy in USA since a friend of mine is going and could potentially bring it to me!

I really appreciate your help!
 

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^Look for Ryzen 5 1600+ or 17++ they have plenty cores/threads to spare unlike Intel models, a six core is enough to stream aoe at 1080 but lets say you want to play a modern game that uses 4 cores but u also want to stream it then it wont have enough room to do both.

I think icore 5 8400 and ryzen 5 1600 are about the same price but ryzen has double the threads, no point of comparison for encoding or streaming,meanwhile the intel gives you like 5-10 more fps in some games.
 
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what could also save you a few bucks would be ordering all the parts separately and then building the PC yourself. You might need to watch a couple of tutorials to figure out how to do it.

I never trust myself to do that kind of stuff, but many people who did it for the first time said it was quite easy!
 
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what could also save you a few bucks would be ordering all the parts separately and then building the PC yourself. You might need to watch a couple of tutorials to figure out how to do it.

I never trust myself to do that kind of stuff, but many people who did it for the first time said it was quite easy!
yes! My brother built a PC that we have, so I'll definitely tell him to build this one too! I'm researching now to see if it's cheapier to buy the PC-parts in USA, Germany,England or if it doesn't matter too much and I can buy them here in brazil! I have friends that could potentially bring them to me from those countries, but I just asked a german friend he said 200 Eu$ for the i5 8400, and here it is 800 R$, it's not much save it seems
 

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@ImRiver

what could also save you a few bucks would be ordering all the parts separately and then building the PC yourself. You might need to watch a couple of tutorials to figure out how to do it.

I never trust myself to do that kind of stuff, but many people who did it for the first time said it was quite easy!
I'm the same though next time I told myself that I will build it myself. I think the most important thing is making sure that you buy the right parts that are compatible, that's where things can go wrong.
 

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I was thinking in spending arround 600-800 U$D on a new PC. I would pay a little more if it was absolutely necessary for 1080p, yet I could not spend more than 1000 U$D, if it was necessary or preferable I'd have to wait a few months

Btw: i have a PC-case and a 1000 GB Hard Disk already
Rich playboy. Use part of the money to buy twixx as slave and force him to co cast.
I haven't spent a cent in at least two years 11, and my good computer that I had two years ago was stolen by some thiefes who entered my house, taking almost everything that I had including TVs,PCs,laptop,tablet and PS3. So FU ask, you and your shit country made me poor and use a bad PC for two years
jk, I like brazil, I just hate the thieves and you
 

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i recommend get 16 GB ram, with 8 GB, with 1 PC u basically can´t do anything else if u stream in 1080p, and if u add some video or some stuff during the stream, it will struggle alot.
 
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unreal replies. You don't need a dedicated GPU/graphics card for 1080p streaming. Intel processors i3 and above with integrated graphics are well capable of that. Does your monitor support 1080p? Is your internet fast?

Your integrated graphics is http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/ind ... %20Desktop
It supports resolution up to 2560*1600.
unreal replies?
Nobody claimed having a dedicated GPU was important. He has a 1080p monitor and his internet is fine, the advice given in the thread so far is correct and fine. The issue is not that his CPU cant support the resolution, it's that it's not capable of encoding fast enough at that resolution.
 
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It should encode fine. If the bandwidth is low or has jitter/latency, it would cause the encoder to work harder. What settings are you using? Have you tried overclocking at 4.5ghz?
 

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unreal replies. You don't need a dedicated GPU/graphics card for 1080p streaming. Intel processors i3 and above with integrated graphics are well capable of that.
lol wut?
"Unreal replies" and then you proceed to say the exact same thing everybody else has said?

I believe your GPU plays a very little role in terms of a good quality stream.

...the main components should be a very strong CPU and a fast upload speed
when it comes to streaming AoE it's more important to have a stronger CPU instead of GPU. The GPU is not utilised much at all
 
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It should encode fine. If the bandwidth is low or has jitter/latency, it would cause the encoder to work harder. What settings are you using? Have you tried overclocking at 4.5ghz?
You can’t overclock that cpu, it’s not unlocked... (overclockable intel CPU’s end in a K or an x). It’s also terrible advice to tell someone to overclock their system without knowing what cooling they have.
And no, his bandwidth is not the problem... 4Mbs is a standard upload for twitch and he has 11... the cpu is absolutely the bottleneck in his system. Are you trolling?

I graduated a year ago and have multiple IT certificates on top of my degree. At my current contract I am making 80k a year.
You do realise that an i5-8400 is 4x faster than his current i5-2500 right??
 
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I was thinking in spending arround 600-800 U$D on a new PC. I would pay a little more if it was absolutely necessary for 1080p, yet I could not spend more than 1000 U$D, if it was necessary or preferable I'd have to wait a few months

Btw: i have a PC-case and a 1000 GB Hard Disk already
Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Just a small edit:
No matter the memory size you're aiming for, you should definitely go for a dual-channel memory arrangement (2x 4 GB or 2x 8 GB) as you would waste performance (and even money) elsewise.
 
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It should encode fine. If the bandwidth is low or has jitter/latency, it would cause the encoder to work harder. What settings are you using? Have you tried overclocking at 4.5ghz?
You can’t overclock that cpu, it’s not unlocked... (overclockable intel CPU’s end in a K or an x). It’s also terrible advice to tell someone to overclock their system without knowing what cooling they have.
And no, his bandwidth is not the problem... 4Mbs is a standard upload for twitch and he has 11... the cpu is absolutely the bottleneck in his system. Are you trolling?



You do realise that an i5-8400 is 4x faster than his current i5-2500 right??
I thought he had 2500k. i5 2500x should still be able to do the job. What settings is he using for his streams. He could also use a capture card (100-150$) just for encoding purposes and it won't cost him much. What mobo he uses?
 

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I don't agree with that misinformation, a four core CPU can stream at 1080p for sure, but it uses all the available cores to do it, a game like aoe II is optimized to use one core at 90% of his power, so basically one less core which is going to hurt the performance so bad, the CPU is going get overloaded then missing frames and stuttering while encoding, not to mention the high temperature that this is going to cause reducing the overall performance.

OBS uses 2 cores for streaming a 720p and 4 for 1080p, that is how it is programed, maybe if you set different core affinity to each program you could use OBS with only 2 cores but there is going to be a quality loss, also you need a little of free room to other apps such as internet, music programs, etc, etc.

If you would bother reading the OBS forums you will see that intel icore 5 line is not really recommended for 1080p streaming and gaming, the 8000 series can do it fine for a game like aoc but it will struggle to stream a modern game, a good cpu is not the one that can runs modern games at higher fps but the one that allows you to use several apps at the same time with the same performance.
 

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