Hidden Cup 3 London Corona Party

[amazing_knight]

It seems like some who arguing that going to the meet-up would be inconsequential have no real understanding of how epidemics work. They would benefit by seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

The ONLY way to limit the outbreak (till a vaccine is developed) is to limit contagion. And since many people who might be affected may not be demonstrating acute symptoms (typically youth), you might be putting others at risk even without knowing it when you meet them.

It's amusing how some people here are arguing that experts haven't restricted this meet-up, but literally all over the world experts have been arguing to restrict non-essential activities. What do you want them to do: look at each case and decide whether it's essential or not?

I don't usually talk too much on this forum, but on this topic I'd advice people not to keep a meet-up till the situation improves. Every epidemic has an inflection point and a point after which it dies out, so you don't have to cancel things: postponing works. But at the end, it's your rational decision.

 

[HongeyKong]

And if I am not mistaken, you can be unaware you have it but it's still transmittable (someone correct me if I am wrong, lot of misinformation around).

How long is the incubation period for COVID-19?
The “incubation period” means the time between catching the virus and beginning to have symptoms of the disease. Most estimates of the incubation period for COVID-19 range from 1-14 days, most commonly around five days. These estimates will be updated as more data become available.\
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

How is letting people get infection that could permanently damage lungs a good solution? I need to know.

 

[dooog]

How is letting people get infection that could permanently damage lungs a good solution? I need to know.

It's not about "letting people get infection" it's about delaying how quickly the infection inevitably spreads so that hospitals and ICUs can adequately cope and avoid a situation like Italy is experiencing.

 

[tresu]

It cannot be contained, that's the fact the UK public health has accepted. The strategy now is to delay and for that unnecessary meetings is best avoided.
The reasons behind UK not lock down the country are, 1. We have not hit the peak 2. There is fear of isolation fatigue. Prople may become less compliant to social isolation when you need it most.

None of these reasoning encourage unnecessary meetings, even now.

 

[theHand]

I would happily and safely go to the meetup if
1. It wasn't in the city that is the center of the outbreak in the Netherlands
2. It wasn't located in the central station of the city where all passengers pass by.

Any other town not in Brabant, and it should be low risk.

Do as you like, but it is not always about you. It is about the people that are weak and those you can possible infect directly or indirectly by spreading the virus.

Do you even realise this is the London viewing event thread?

It seems like some who arguing that going to the meet-up would be inconsequential have no real understanding of how epidemics work. They would benefit by seeing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

The ONLY way to limit the outbreak (till a vaccine is developed) is to limit contagion. And since many people who might be affected may not be demonstrating acute symptoms (typically youth), you might be putting others at risk even without knowing it when you meet them.

It's amusing how some people here are arguing that experts haven't restricted this meet-up, but literally all over the world experts have been arguing to restrict non-essential activities. What do you want them to do: look at each case and decide whether it's essential or not?

I don't usually talk too much on this forum, but on this topic I'd advice people not to keep a meet-up till the situation improves. Every epidemic has an inflection point and a point after which it dies out, so you don't have to cancel things: postponing works. But at the end, it's your rational decision.

I don't much care for your reading of the situation. I don't understand the intricacies of herd immunity, nor the full reasoning behind my government's and my national health body's current advice. I know you don't understand the full reasoning either. So kindly leave off.

How is letting people get infection that could permanently damage lungs a good solution? I need to know.

Because if some don't get it now, more could die later.

How long is the incubation period for COVID-19?
The “incubation period” means the time between catching the virus and beginning to have symptoms of the disease. Most estimates of the incubation period for COVID-19 range from 1-14 days, most commonly around five days. These estimates will be updated as more data become available.\
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

You are assuming people are contagious throughout that entire incubation period. A judgement you have no experience or knowledge to make, and one which the experts deem unlikely. You're like a child trying to explain the night sky.

 

[HongeyKong]

Jesus fking christ, thats WHO you spud

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

Jesus fking christ, thats WHO you spud

Stop wasting time.

 

[theHand]

Do either of you asshats know what "incubation period" means?

"Put simply, the incubation period is the time between when you are exposed to the disease and when you start showing symptoms. This is usually before the contagious period, when you are likely to give the disease to others."

Latest Research Says The Average Incubation Time For The New Coronavirus Is 5.1 Days

Amidst the spread of the current coronavirus epidemic, it can be hard to find science-based advice, as so much of the information out there is either just cautionary, or downright wrong. Thankfully, we're getting more data on a daily basis.

www.sciencealert.com

 

[amazing_knight]

"Put simply, the incubation period is the time between when you are exposed to the disease and when you start showing symptoms. This is usually before the contagious period, when you are likely to give the disease to others."

Lol as if you would know which point in incubation period are you when you go to a social gathering.

 

[Carlini8]

You really have gone right off the deep end just so you can have your meet up to watch AoE with a few people.

You are aware what you have quoted is generally what incubation period means and not specific to this right?

I mean... if you read literally the next word after what you have posted:

"We don't yet know how contagious the coronavirus is when people aren't showing symptoms, however, there have been a few reports of people transmitting the virus without showing symptoms at all. "

Honestly, what are you doing.

 

[amazing_knight]

Suddenly RicoJay seems so much better.

At-least he argued using math and logic. Even though his math/logic was wrong.

 

[Memeluke]

There is none so deaf as he who will not hear.

 

[siestes]

No worries people, theHand will probably be alone at the meeting anyway

 

[HongeyKong]

Suddenly RicoJay seems so much better.

At-least he argued using math and logic. Even though his math/logic was wrong.

His math was actually somewhat right. The problems just that he thought most (if not all) games are decided in the 14 minute window, which is the impractical part.

 

[HongeyKong]

You really have gone right off the deep end just so you can have your meet up to watch AoE with a few people.

You are aware what you have quoted is generally what incubation period means and not specific to this right?

I mean... if you read literally the next word after what you have posted:

"We don't yet know how contagious the coronavirus is when people aren't showing symptoms, however, there have been a few reports of people transmitting the virus without showing symptoms at all. "

Honestly, what are you doing.

(1) Praising chineses selflessness /civic-mindedness being the key of minimising disease spread
Also
(2) Insist holding/joining an event which might bring unnecessary risk to others

Like vaaaaaaat?

 

[theHand]

You really have gone right off the deep end just so you can have your meet up to watch AoE with a few people.

You are aware what you have quoted is generally what incubation period means and not specific to this right?

I mean... if you read literally the next word after what you have posted:

"We don't yet know how contagious the coronavirus is when people aren't showing symptoms, however, there have been a few reports of people transmitting the virus without showing symptoms at all. "

Honestly, what are you doing.

So because there have been a few reports amongst the 100s of 1000s of cases, I should ignore official advice? Honestly what is wrong with you? The meetup is a week away, and as I have said throughout, we will have a reasoned decision then. We won't be influenced by trolls on AoEZone 11

Lol as if you would know which point in incubation period are you when you go to a social gathering.

Missing the point entirely. The ***** I was responding to assumed you were contagious at all points. What are your assumptions now?

No worries people, theHand will probably be alone at the meeting anyway

Don't worry, I'll post the first photo here. If we decide to go. You can look at it from your isolation bunker and feel smug if you want.

 

[HongeyKong]

The Telegraph - 26th Jan

China's deadly coronavirus is becoming more infectious and carriers of the disease can pass it on even if they show no symptoms, China’s National Health Commission warned on Sunday.

Nearly 2,000 people in China have been infected and 56 killed by the disease, which originated in the city of Wuhan. Cases have now been reported across the globe, including in Thailand, Australia, the United States and France.

“The transmissibility shows signs of increasing and the ‘walking source of infection’ [where patients show little sign of disease] has made it difficult to control and present the disease,” Minister Ma Xiaowei, told a packed press conference in Beijing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...g-contagious-chinese-health-authorities-warn/

FT - 5th Mar

To catch Covid-19, you need to be physically close to someone shedding significant amounts of virus — which almost always means a person with symptoms of disease, though asymptomatic transmission may occur, albeit very rarely.

Respiratory infections are most commonly spread through the air by viral particles in droplets from a cough or sneeze, though health workers and family members are also vulnerable to infection through close physical contact with patients without good barrier protection.

The incubation period between infection and symptoms appearing can range from two to 14 days. About five days is most common, according to the WHO.

https://www.ft.com/content/ed3fb63e-41ce-11ea-bdb5-169ba7be433d

Daily Mail - 9th Mar

Once someone has caught the COVID-19 virus it may take between two and 14 days, or even longer, for them to show any symptoms – but they may still be contagious during this time.

If and when they do become ill, typical signs include a runny nose, a cough, sore throat and a fever (high temperature). The vast majority of patients will recover from these without any issues, and many will need no medical help at all.

In a small group of patients, who seem mainly to be the elderly or those with long-term illnesses, it can lead to pneumonia. Pneumonia is an infection in which the insides of the lungs swell up and fill with fluid. It makes it increasingly difficult to breathe and, if left untreated, can be fatal and suffocate people.

Figures are showing that young children do not seem to be particularly badly affected by the virus, which they say is peculiar considering their susceptibility to flu, but it is not clear why.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...incubation-period-just-FIVE-DAYS-average.html


The Guardian - 9th Mar

People infected with coronavirus are symptom-free for an average of five days, according to a study that reinforces the need for strict quarantine measures.

The analysis found that 5.1 days was the median length of time before people started showing signs of illness, although there was a wide range of incubation periods, with a tiny minority of people taking up to two weeks.

Justin Lessler, of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and senior author of the report, said: “Based on our analysis of publicly available data, the current recommendation of 14 days for active monitoring or quarantine is reasonable, although with that period some cases would be missed over the long term.”

The findings did not reveal the extent to which people can transmit the illness during this symptom-free period, but preliminary evidence suggests there is at least a short window before people start feeling ill when they can pass on the virus to others.

https://www.theguardian.com/science...s-symptom-free-for-five-days-on-average-study



Metro - 13th Mar

A study has found people with Covid-19 could be most infectious before their symptoms even present themselves.

The research suggested the reason for the speed of the spread of the virus could be down to coronavirus’ high rate of viral shedding.

Viral shedding is the process of the virus replicating itself before spreading throughout the host’s body, and it occurs in the early stages of infection.

Scientists found the highest level of Covid-19 to be present before many symptoms presented themselves – so around the time those who were carrying the virus were likely to be spreading the virus in public.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/13/long-coronavirus-symptoms-contagious-12392221/

 

[theHand]

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[The Bloodless]

Trolling will not help your cause. It only makes you look unbalanced.

 

[Carlini8]

You linked an article to back up your point that then disproves your point the next word, I’m not sure it’s a case of what’s wrong with me, but what is wrong with you - you seem to care so much, why aren’t you even reading the whole article from a place you deem reputable. I assume you are aware that it’s pretty tricky to track down if people are contagious before showing symptoms. The fact that there are cases is the worrying part, it doesn’t mean that only a few people are, it’s we only have proof a few people have - again, because it’s tricky.

Does Cheltenham not worry you? The official advice in Ireland is Cheltenham should have been cancelled, do not go to Cheltenham. If Ireland is in such a bad way that the official advice is not to go are you OK with the fact thousands and thousands flew over? They then went in close contact with many tens of thousands of brits. I don’t know if you have been to Cheltenham but you get up close and personal with many many times more people than at a football game.

I used to think you were a normal member of the community but my god. People who actually finish reading articles are saying they wouldn’t go if the meet up was now - are you trying to say it will get better in the next week? We are allowed to be concerned yet we are ****faces for caring or whatever you have been saying.

I guess it’s time to tap out, you know it’s over when the other person brands everyone against them a troll. Maybe check your posts, if anyone is the offensive one it is you. I love meet ups, right now I would prefer to be sat in a pub with 15 infected than near you, Jesus. I hope you enjoy this meet up as clearly it’s the most important thing on your life right now. I’m not sure the word toxic has even been so apt.

 

[archxeon]

I think what had to be said is already said. It's just that often we are too stubborn conceding arguments, especially over the internet.

I hope the discussion at least helped people who maybe reading this and who hadn't thought things through.

Also really enjoyed reading Carlini's analogy of the villagers.

 

[theHand]

You linked an article to back up your point that then disproves your point the next word, I’m not sure it’s a case of what’s wrong with me, but what is wrong with you - you seem to care so much, why aren’t you even reading the whole article from a place you deem reputable. I assume you are aware that it’s pretty tricky to track down if people are contagious before showing symptoms. The fact that there are cases is the worrying part, it doesn’t mean that only a few people are, it’s we only have proof a few people have - again, because it’s tricky.

Does Cheltenham not worry you? The official advice in Ireland is Cheltenham should have been cancelled, do not go to Cheltenham. If Ireland is in such a bad way that the official advice is not to go are you OK with the fact thousands and thousands flew over? They then went in close contact with many tens of thousands of brits. I don’t know if you have been to Cheltenham but you get up close and personal with many many times more people than at a football game.

I used to think you were a normal member of the community but my god. People who actually finish reading articles are saying they wouldn’t go if the meet up was now - are you trying to say it will get better in the next week? We are allowed to be concerned yet we are ****faces for caring or whatever you have been saying.

I guess it’s time to tap out, you know it’s over when the other person brands everyone against them a troll. Maybe check your posts, if anyone is the offensive one it is you. I love meet ups, right now I would prefer to be sat in a pub with 15 infected than near you, Jesus. I hope you enjoy this meet up as clearly it’s the most important thing on your life right now. I’m not sure the word toxic has even been so apt.

You bring Cheltenham with 1000s of people of all ages into a discussion about a meeting with 10 young people. I'm being disingenuous, or are you?

Saying that there have been "some cases" of asymptomatic transmission disproves my point that following official advice is the best course of action? Ask yourself if you are being as intransigent as you think I am being.

Again, check your assumptions at the door. I haven't branded everyone offering hesitations trolls, I've branded the trolls as trolls. Or do you think the guy literally online bullying another member of our community is some paragon of virtue?

Get real.

 

[theHand]

Before people making assumptions assume I'm saying I'm the one being online bullied, I'm not. Can't be bothered to explain this later.

 

[Carlini8]

It's OK that you missed the point about Cheltenham.

Your whole argument is based around the fact that the Government of the United Kingdom are the only people you will listen to. So I am simply asking you your view on the very people you consider the only experts worth listening to allowing Cheltenham to go around. So again I will ask, given you consider the UK Government the only experts worth listening to what your view on them allowing Cheltenham to go ahead is?


Onto the transmission.

• Rayne says – And if I am not mistaken, you can be unaware you have it but it's still transmittable (someone correct me if I am wrong, lot of misinformation around).
  
  
• HongeyKong replies with a quote from WHO.
  
  
• You say:
  
  You are assuming people are contagious throughout that entire incubation period. A judgement you have no experience or knowledge to make, and one which the experts deem unlikely. You're like a child trying to explain the night sky.
  
  
  
• HongeyKong says: Jesus fking christ, thats WHO you spud
  
  
• You say: Do either of you asshats know what "incubation period" means?
  
  "Put simply, the incubation period is the time between when you are exposed to the disease and when you start showing symptoms. This is usually before the contagious period, when you are likely to give the disease to others."
  
  This is where you link an article that disproves your point. As you can see your point is not FOLLOW WHAT THE UK GOV SAY. This was an off shoot, but a classic online move once you lose an argument is to backtrack so I guess that is what you are going with.
  
  Could you point to the trolls please? Just wondering who you consider the trolls given reading the above I think the toxic individual is pretty clear.