Hera to stop streaming AoE2/4, decides to focus on League of Legends

[oozkan]

It wouldn't have been a conflict of interest if Nili had organised aoe 2 tournament
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Well personally I don't agree, but I agree that reaction will be less if it was AOE2. I would say same for AOE2 as i said before, he should quit GL in addition to funding his own tournaments. You can't be a competitor and organizer and also the guy who distributes money to organizers.

 

[Tarsiz]

Well personally I don't agree, but I agree that reaction will be less if it was AOE2. I would say same for AOE2 as i said before, he should quit GL in addition to funding his own tournaments. You can't be a competitor and organizer and also the guy who distributes money to organizers.

Not to play devil's advocate - I totally agree with your point that Nili should not have that triple hat of tournament coordinator, host and player - but this really shows an issue with the current state of AoEZone.

A lot of the outrage comes from the hate people have for AoE 4 rather than objective reasons, which is actually detrimental to the legitimate point on the concern on conflict of interest.

 

[Tempires]

 

[IYIyTh]

Not to play devil's advocate - I totally agree with your point that Nili should not have that triple hat of tournament coordinator, host and player - but this really shows an issue with the current state of AoEZone.

A lot of the outrage comes from the hate people have for AoE 4 rather than objective reasons, which is actually detrimental to the legitimate point on the concern on conflict of interest.

I contest and believe the (and I use this term loosely,) "hate," of this website comes primarily from streamers or pros who are impacted by having their business openly discussed in a way they can't control or manipulate. These are people who are used to getting their way without resistance. This is fed directly into their audience who at times believe in pros and or streamers as infalliable who then openly trash one of the few available areas people have to interact regarding aoe2. Very unfortunate indeed.

I'd be curious to see metrics on site activity. The same folks who hate on aoezone on twitch are often caught denigrating it in one breath, and pulling it up to view something in the next.

RE: AOE4: There is no need to force toxic positivity regarding AOE4 or a flawed game if folks have feelings, justified or agreeable to oneself or not. Some very well may project their feelings for AOE4 into their posts, but I don't agree that is a reason to paint a forum with broad strokes and/or try to silence ( you admit) otherwise valid points for the sake of appeasement of some talking head.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

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You never stop loving your first crush

 

[LowEloNobody]

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Oof. Coming back and losing to Mr. Bean has to hurt

 

[vince]

I contest and believe the (and I use this term loosely,) "hate," of this website comes primarily from streamers or pros who are impacted by having their business openly discussed in a way they can't control or manipulate. These are people who are used to getting their way without resistance. This is fed directly into their audience who at times believe in pros and or streamers as infalliable who then openly trash one of the few available areas people have to interact regarding aoe2. Very unfortunate indeed.

there may be some truth to this, but I think some of the problem may also be when posters come in here and speak on matters that they don't know all the details of, which can in turn hurt the reputation of the streamers. to basically say it's all the streamers own fault is rather narrow-minded.

 

[oozkan]

I think both side are feeding each others hate quite well tbh.

After checking posts of some admins and streamers you can feel the "hate" on that side too.

 

[Nicov]

I think both side are feeding each others hate quite well tbh.

After checking posts of some admins and streamers you can feel the "hate" on that side too.

Not sure who are you referring to but that's the least you should expect when you and a few other individuals circle jerk attacking them with aggressive posts everyday for months.

 

[IYIyTh]

there may be some truth to this, but I think some of the problem may also be when posters come in here and speak on matters that they don't know all the details of, which can in turn hurt the reputation of the streamers. to basically say it's all the streamers own fault is rather narrow-minded.

I don't think anyone has said whose fault it is for certain (I actually don't even think it's a problem, AOEZone use seems to continue trodding at a high rate.). I would totally expect pros and streamers to be annoyed at having to defend oneself or explain one's action(s) (like when they might go on a racist or childish tirade.) That's why I would never expect a Capoch or Hera to embrace the concept of a forum positively, and advocate for platforms where their popularity can be used to squelch any unmentionable activity of their own.

Admittedly, rarely is the good praised, but the very bad is extraordinarily highlighted -- and sometimes that can be quite ugly. It's a normal human reaction in response to criticism to be defensive and prefer none at all exist. These mechanisms that do in fact I agree defame certain high-profile players -- are sometimes necessary -- less their behavior forgiven, accepted, and baked into the "community," all because someone is "popular." People make mistakes, but that doesn't mean they should all be forgotten, or even forgiven. Discussing it is an important part of a community.

However, that is a price one pays for being in the limelight and being recorded at all times. As it pertains to streamers -- as you mention -- having all of that information. Is that fair? I think that's an entirely different debate. When there is unequal access or information is not shared you have speculation. Sometimes it's correct, sometimes it's not. That's the nature of the beast. I don't believe the solution is that all information except a chosen few should be squelched. Nor do I believe one should "just trust X Y or Z," who may or may not have very real financial interests in the matter being discussed, even potentially influence.

Some would like to paint broad strokes and compare one saying "Nili has and maintains an obvious conflict of interest in his current role and has admitted as such, and I believe that a bad thing for age of empires 2 DE and its future," as the equivalent of some conspiracy regarding T90 using his production value and a time machine to have actually faked the U.S. moon landing as being equally absurd -- which is hogwash of course.

Some think that any criticism of their favorite players or casters is invalid -- that they can do no wrong. Thus they find any semblance of criticism in a bellicose sense rather taken for face value.

Painting in broad strokes is beneficial to someone who would rather silence all criticism in hopes it all ceases, where the reasonable person is able to take a forum for what it is -- a place where opinions of all can be openly expressed within reason. All does not necessarily mean the best.

I can't see the reasonableness in the expectation that all people will be informed at all times on matters that are at times intentionally kept hidden, sometimes even under NDA. Whether it's a cartel of streamers and influencers provided pre-access/information (normal standard business operating procedures in nearly all games,) you can't expect your average 20 year old player of a game to not react negatively when they see (or more importantly, don't see,) action they don't believe to be amiable.

It's alright for it to rain every once in a while.

 

[oozkan]

Not sure who are you referring to but that's the least you should expect when you and a few other individuals circle jerk attacking them with aggressive posts everyday for months.

I don't have any problems with you Nicov, so I will not answer in a way that I answered others, at least I didn't see any fishy business from you or using your position to in favor of others so far (not that you have a position to do so). Of course quoted post will got a lot of applause, because you got fans and I don't, but as I said I won't change my behaviour against you just because you used "jerk" word, because my reaction to others is not personal.

My position regarding others will stay same, people who juggle money one pocket to another, or favor certain players or insulters will get same treatment and that won't change how popular they are or how close friends of popular figures, it is more principles for me rather than hate or defending close friends. And I assume we both know who they are since you came up to defend them.

I wish you best in next tournaments and I hope you got better draws and reach upper stage more often because I feel like you were unlucky with draws especially in hidden cups.

 

[Belgawizard]

Edie is back!

 

[vince]

I don't think anyone has said whose fault it is for certain

hm really?

I contest and believe the (and I use this term loosely,) "hate," of this website comes primarily from streamers or pros who are impacted by having their business openly discussed in a way they can't control or manipulate.

interesting.

That's why I would never expect a Capoch or Hera to embrace the concept of a forum positively, and advocate for platforms where their popularity can be used to squelch any unmentionable activity of their own.

i cant speak for them, but i know that if i were in their shoes and made a mistake, i wouldn't exactly consider a forum that has minimal moderation and is filled with immature, unreasonable individuals who lack self-awareness like aoezone is exactly the place i'd embrace to address such things. there are definitely a share of quality posters here, but also a slew of nonsensical posters who have nothing better to do than whine, complain, and give opinions with little forethought.

Admittedly, rarely is the good praised, but the very bad is extraordinarily highlighted -- and sometimes that can be quite ugly. It's a normal human reaction in response to criticism to be defensive and prefer none at all exist. These mechanisms that do in fact I agree defame certain high-profile players -- are sometimes necessary -- less their behavior forgiven, accepted, and baked into the "community," all because someone is "popular." People make mistakes, but that doesn't mean they should all be forgotten, or even forgiven. Discussing it is an important part of a community.

discussing it is one thing. but people starting threads or posting every time a streamer does something they didn't like to just complain about how terrible of a person they are, and doing so without either fully understanding the situation or giving full context is something that happens plenty and doesn't lend to discussion, it just ends up being a bunch of ridiculous personal attacks. i wouldn't care much for that myself if i were one of them, and would prefer to just ignore it, which it appears most of them do, and probably why many arent a big fan of coming here for "discussion"

Some would like to paint broad strokes and compare one saying "Nili has and maintains an obvious conflict of interest in his current role and has admitted as such, and I believe that a bad thing for age of empires 2 DE and its future," as the equivalent of some conspiracy regarding T90 using his production value and a time machine to have actually faked the U.S. moon landing as being equally absurd -- which is hogwash of course.

Some think that any criticism of their favorite players or casters is invalid -- that they can do no wrong. Thus they find any semblance of criticism in a bellicose sense rather taken for face value.

theres a big difference from expressing that one feels nili has a conflict of interest, and posts where people say things like:

"Nili offering 100k to himself for his own Aoe4 tournament.
Corruption should never be normalized."

or imputing evil motive on streamers

"Meanwhile Viper tried to scam his fans with a crypto pump and dump."

there's nothing wrong with healthy, dignified discussion, and constructive criticism. but when posts like the above are made, i think it would be quite the turnoff to come to a place like this for such discussion.

I can't see the reasonableness in the expectation that all people will be informed at all times on matters that are at times intentionally kept hidden, sometimes even under NDA. Whether it's a cartel of streamers and influencers provided pre-access/information (normal standard business operating procedures in nearly all games,) you can't expect your average 20 year old player of a game to not react negatively when they see (or more importantly, don't see,) action they don't believe to be amiable.

not everyone needs to be informed at all times on matters. but its a personal choice to speak out on something when all the details and information are not known. doing so in a way that is potentially harmful to the reputation of another person, will generally not be met with much favor.

It's alright for it to rain every once in a while.

not sure anyone said otherwise. but its probably reasonable to expect that when streamers see such nonsense, they won't care much for it.

 

[IYIyTh]

Sure, that's my belief on why folks think a certain way regarding aoezone.

My post was geared towards why certain individuals believe "aoezone," is "bad," a popular to repeat trope by folks who probably live in an individual streamers chat, or prefer reddit, etc.

Go judge for yourself, often times the reason given is "lack of moderation," or "trolls," when the real impetus is in effect opinions and ideas being shared that are not necessarily in their (pro, streamer, or individual's,) personal interest. Or -- one would paint one user as a representation of the entirety of the forum.

If we're being honest, moderation is a more complicated topic. Some believe moderation means to remove any such thing that is contrary to what their favorite streamer believes and/or espouses. Others desire something more like complete anarchy. I think I'm in the middle, whereas spam posts should be deleted, and unless there are obvious issues with a post (flaming, for example,) there is no real reason to over-moderate/remove such posts -- just because they might be critical of the aoe2 streaming cartel or be an unpopular opinion. After all, while plenty of folks post for the "likes," this isn't reddit -- where unpopular sentiment can be merely downvoted to the point it simply disappears.

I certainly think the boards could do with appointment of moderators (people do these things for free.)
So long as the intent isn't to rabidly delete posts for having the audacity to disagree with streamer x y or pro player y or z, I don't see why that wouldn't be welcomed by all. I can't say I agree that folks should not be beholden to their actions or beyond criticism. If someone is a racist twat on their stream I fully expect someone to hold that against them -- as they should. Personally, I don't believe in people changing, just being smarter about how their behavior impacts their bottom line(s).

I'm not sure I can agree with advocating that one should not speak on or about a game unless they are one hundred percent certain of all information available when there are rarely (if ever,) any such individuals who are.

Else there would be no point in a forum to begin with. Expressing one's idea is the point of a forum after all, and I'm not sure folks should be in the business of dictating who gets to express theirs and when.

(Except that please no goths guy.)

 

[The Bloodless]

Let's see hera come back and dominate again!

 

[vince]

Go judge for yourself, often times the reason given is "lack of moderation," or "trolls," when the real impetus is in effect opinions and ideas being shared that are not necessarily in their (pro, streamer, or individual's,) personal interest. Or -- one would paint one user as a representation of the entirety of the forum.

sometimes yes. sometimes no. but again, the basis of my post was you saying that the primary reason streamers dont care for aoezone is because they can't manipulate whats said. i think that may be true in some cases, but is far from the primary reason.

If we're being honest, moderation is a more complicated topic. Some believe moderation means to remove any such thing that is contrary to what their favorite streamer believes and/or espouses. Others desire something more like complete anarchy. I think I'm in the middle, whereas spam posts should be deleted, and unless there are obvious issues with a post (flaming, for example,) there is no real reason to over-moderate/remove such posts -- just because they might be critical of the aoe2 streaming cartel or be an unpopular opinion. After all, while plenty of folks post for the "likes," this isn't reddit -- where unpopular sentiment can be merely downvoted to the point it simply disappears.

I certainly think the boards could do with appointment of moderators (people do these things for free.)
So long as the intent isn't to rabidly delete posts for having the audacity to disagree with streamer x y or pro player y or z, I don't see why that wouldn't be welcomed by all. I can't say I agree that folks should not be beholden to their actions or beyond criticism. If someone is a racist twat on their stream I fully expect someone to hold that against them -- as they should. Personally, I don't believe in people changing, just being smarter about how their behavior impacts their bottom line(s).

I 100% agree there's a balance to be had. but when someone can freely post things that include accusing a streamer of intentionally scamming his fans, even after the details have already been revealed that it was completely untrue, that is the kind of stuff that i think would turn most people off.

also not sure why constantly bringing up past mistakes that have already been addressed is really necessary, but to each their own.

I'm not sure I can agree with advocating that one should not speak on or about a game unless they are one hundred percent certain of all information available when there are rarely (if ever,) any such individuals who are.

Else there would be no point in a forum to begin with. Expressing one's idea is the point of a forum after all, and I'm not sure folks should be in the business of dictating who gets to express theirs and when.

i wasnt talking about opinions on a video game itself. i was talking about speaking loosely on personal matters of which few details are actually known. again, keeping with previous examples, calling viper an intentional scammer, or saying nili is corrupt and is trying to give himself 100k are both ridiculous things to post, and accomplish nothing except upsetting and potentially slandering people.

 

[hereicome]

Lol. How do you know how much I've put in from my pocket? I'm not even sure how much I've invested from my pocket. You seem to be the authority on my pockets though, so I'll take your word for it.

It's 125K tournament and you are not sure how much is your money? Would you be disclosing it once the event is over, like others do?

Last weekend the peak viewership was 12.5k, of which 5.5k was on EGCTV. Sure it's a $125k event, but that was week 3 of a 10 week event and not in the elite stage yet. Viewership is up exponentially week-on-week, average view time is 93 minutes, subs and community support are at an all time high and more than we saw during Genesis.

I really don't understand why keep bringing up the average view-time everywhere. This is not an indicator of "gaining" viewership which could denote new people have found interest. What was the average number of viewers for the duration of the stream? Why take only peak? Also your numbers are worse than N4C. N4C during group stage did better than this tournament. Average viewers as well as peak viewers.
Also stopping twisting the narrative that you did well than genesis but only compare the subs gifted and "community support". Why not compare viewership? . You compare community support with Genesis but overall viewership number to your own last week numbers. Please be consistent. You pick and chose factors that are convenient for your narrative than the speaking the entire facts. But I understand you are in it for business, so you'll quotes whatever benefits the business.

I am not saying Golden League is a failure, but it certainly is not a grand success as you might seem to believe. Cross N4C numbers in all factors and aspects, then you'll have a point to debate.

This shows a significant lack of knowledge on what 'investing' is. I reckon these guys have what 20 years combined streaming experience between them? Significantly more even? That's an investment, and a very significant one at that. EGC had 2,000 followers and a CCV of 250 9 months ago. So I'd say we've so far achieved an excellent return on investment.

Of course, I'm very biased, and one man's long term growth is another's 'fiasco'. But apparently seeing as I've, according to you ,gained the ability to sink $60k from my own pocket into an e-sports tournament, I must have done something right somewhere along the way.

On a serious note. If you want to view Golden League as a failure and fiasco it's 100% your right, and I genuinely appreciate that. People have different views on what represents success and failure. But when you're stating viewership and finances as a fact, when they're immediately and provably not only untrue but dramatically out of touch with reality, it just shows it to be malicious trolling.

 

[Tendo]

Cross N4C numbers in all factors and aspects, then you'll have a point to debate.

Not arguing about which Tournament was/is more succesfull, but this point is just... well... makes just no sense imo 11
You compare a ~9 days Tournament and a 2 month Tournament.
So obv. those Tournaments have not only different goals, but also different results.
A Tournament like N4C is made to have a high peak, it's the thing people will remember (like 10k at nac2, or 20k at nac3).
You cannot make a 2 month Tournament which focuses so heavily on a high peak/end or such a high viewer average since the Tournament goes way longer.

 

[hereicome]

Not arguing about which Tournament was/is more succesfull, but this point is just... well... makes just no sense imo 11
You compare a ~9 days Tournament and a 2 month Tournament.
So obv. those Tournaments have not only different goals, but also different results.
A Tournament like N4C is made to have a high peak, it's the thing people will remember (like 10k at nac2, or 20k at nac3).
You cannot make a 2 month Tournament which focuses so heavily on a high peak/end or such a high viewer average since the Tournament goes way longer.

I understand what you trying to say. But my overall sense of the post was, Golden League is not doing better than they portray it to be. They conveniently not quote overall viewership number , but only average viewership-time to push the narrative that it's doing good. At least not so far.

 

[EliteGamingChannel]

@hereicome There is so much to unpack here, but I'l indulge you nonetheless. The one thing though that I really don't enjoy is this idea that N4C and Golden League should somehow be pitted against each other. I'm not trying to beat N4C, I'm trying to do good by the game and surpass our own expectations of ourselves. I went to N4C, I supported N4C, I see one of the reasons for our success as being N4C and the role it played in creating narratives, entertaining the audience, introducing the players etc. So rather than trying to 'beat' N4C, I see N4C as a catalyst for the direction we are now moving in.

Some quick answers:

It's 125K tournament and you are not sure how much is your money? Would you be disclosing it once the event is over, like others do?

Yes I'm not sure how much is my own money. It is very common in major projects (not just in gaming) to no know exactly how it will go financially until the end. This is why we make 'projections'. I'll probably say what Microsoft contributed afterwards, but beyond that I'm not sure yet. NDA's will prevent me revealing exact contributions from some sponsors anyway. On current numbers my personal contribution will be pretty significant though, as I always expected to be the case.

I really don't understand why keep bringing up the average view-time everywhere. This is not an indicator of "gaining" viewership which could denote new people have found interest.

Average view time is an indication of engagement. It's a common statistic used to evaluate success in all broadcasting. It's an indication the audience is enjoying the product. It's an indication they'll come back next week. It's an indication they'll buy and play the game. Other statistics indicate whether new people have found interest, but this is still important data, and early on in a new game it's even more relevant.

What was the average number of viewers for the duration of the stream?

4,631 on Main Channel. Around 12,000 (Peak over 14,000) total.

Why take only peak?

I don't.

lso your numbers are worse than N4C.

See my opening comment. We're competing against ourselves not N4C. This is also such a bad comparison to even be making when we're in the 64-player bracket stage.

N4C during group stage did better than this tournament.

Yesterday's peak was over 14,000. So pretty sure this is just straight up incorrect. Again, like I said, N4C is part of the reason our numbers as good and part of the reason for these numbers.

Also stopping twisting the narrative that you did well than genesis but only compare the subs gifted and "community support".

This is a business. I'm trying to lose as little as possible. Community support and subs gifted is what keeps the light on. Obviously I consider this a barometer of success. Pretty sure all the other big TO's do too. We can afford to keep running huge events only so long as people want to help support them. I'd say it's a very untwisted narrative.
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Anyway. If you have any more questions fire away.

 

[LowEloNobody]

Anyway. If you have any more questions fire away.

Will you have to Nerf Viper as he tries to begin his AoE4 Dynasty?

 

[EliteGamingChannel]

Will you have to Nerf Viper as he tries to begin his AoE4 Dynasty?

Problem is he was over nerfed right before N4C, and as usual devs have over cooked it on the buff right before Golden League. The balance changes need to be more incremental imo.

 

[LowEloNobody]

Problem is he was over nerfed right before N4C, and as usual devs have over cooked it on the buff right before Golden League. The balance changes need to be more incremental imo.

Maybe we get a server-side hotfix

 

[enmipho]

Anyway. If you have any more questions fire away.

My question is why are you answering questions here? I don't mean this in a critical way, far be it for me to tell people how to spend their time. But it seems like the majority of the commentariat here is, rightly or wrongly, reflexively antagonistic of your tournament. Why bother correcting people making random speculations about how much you contributed to the tournament etc.? I feel like if I were running your tourney reading these threads would burn me out more than anything.

 

[hereicome]

@hereicome There is so much to unpack here, but I'l indulge you nonetheless. The one thing though that I really don't enjoy is this idea that N4C and Golden League should somehow be pitted against each other. I'm not trying to beat N4C, I'm trying to do good by the game and surpass our own expectations of ourselves. I went to N4C, I supported N4C, I see one of the reasons for our success as being N4C and the role it played in creating narratives, entertaining the audience, introducing the players etc. So rather than trying to 'beat' N4C, I see N4C as a catalyst for the direction we are now moving in.

Really appreciate you taking the time for replying. My intention is not to pit anyone against anyone. If you feel that's what is happening when people compare N4C against GL, then you can count me out of it.

Why I compare GoldenLeague with N4C:

N4C was the mostly recently concluded S-Tier tournament, it only makes sense to compare the viewership number against the mostly recently concluded another S-Tier 100K tournament. It's usually a good sample to take numbers from. This is because this is the first year of AoE4. There is no GoldenLeague1 to compare GoldenLeague2 against. When you have Golden League 2 in 2023 then we can compare GoldenLeague2 number with GoldenLeague1.

Comparing viewership count with mostly recently concluded S-Tier tournament(at this point in time) is important because it denotes if the game and tournament have brought in new found interest after the steady decline.

Some quick answers:


Yes I'm not sure how much is my own money. It is very common in major projects (not just in gaming) to no know exactly how it will go financially until the end. This is why we make 'projections'. I'll probably say what Microsoft contributed afterwards, but beyond that I'm not sure yet. NDA's will prevent me revealing exact contributions from some sponsors anyway. On current numbers my personal contribution will be pretty significant though, as I always expected to be the case.

I'd assume you'll still have a ball park figure. But fair enough.

Average view time is an indication of engagement. It's a common statistic used to evaluate success in all broadcasting. It's an indication the audience is enjoying the product. It's an indication they'll come back next week. It's an indication they'll buy and play the game. Other statistics indicate whether new people have found interest, but this is still important data, and early on in a new game it's even more relevant.

I wasn't denying audience are not enjoying. The same audience might come back next week- Yes.
Buy and play the game?- Far fetched assumption. SC2 has lot of viewers too but don't play the game. Same with AoE2. Not sure how you can say this assertively.

A steady even if small increase in viewership number is a more important factor and criteria than average-viewership time to know if the new people or players that left are coming into the game . They even might follow your and others future tournaments. Otherwise there is a pretty good chance that the number will stalls out as-is. And I'd assume this wouldn't be your wish too.

4,631 on Main Channel. Around 12,000 (Peak over 14,000) total.

I don't.

See my opening comment. We're competing against ourselves not N4C. This is also such a bad comparison to even be making when we're in the 64-player bracket stage.

But the numbers probably you are quoting for peak and even the relatively higher viewership would have definitely been around those 8 players stages of the group.

Yesterday's peak was over 14,000. So pretty sure this is just straight up incorrect. Again, like I said, N4C is part of the reason our numbers as good and part of the reason for these numbers.

Nope N4C group stage had 15K at one point when Viper was playing. You can cross check with Nili himself may be. Like I quoted above, you are being compared to N4C only because it was the most recent number we have. Once you have GL2 you'll be compared against GL1.

This is a business. I'm trying to lose as little as possible. Community support and subs gifted is what keeps the light on. Obviously I consider this a barometer of success. Pretty sure all the other big TO's do too. We can afford to keep running huge events only so long as people want to help support them. I'd say it's a very untwisted narrative.

The twisted narrative I was meaning was picking some numbers from an event that happened in Novemeber/December 2021 and picking some numbers against the same event from last week. The mostly recently concluded tournament should be a good sample to be compared against to measure the sustainability and traction the game is getting.

I don't want anyone to lose business or money. People work hard to earn money. It's hard earned money and it doesn't come easy. And I'd assume also there must be a lot of people in the background that must have put in work day-in and day-out whose work I value. I was only reflecting the numbers to measure the sustainability of game itself.

I really wish you the best with rest of the tournament.

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Anyway. If you have any more questions fire away.

Any other sporting events or e-sport events you've hosted before AoE4?