Hera to stop streaming AoE2/4, decides to focus on League of Legends

[lecracheursagacite]

The blue column is the number of net follower gain/loss per stream?!
That would be kind of heartbreaking if true...

It seems like it started declining before he switched to League. He really was made as an AoE2 streamer so it is a shame he felt he had to leave for another game. It would be great for those who care about streaming if AoE2 had a better ladder scene than it currently does because that really is the foundational element of the streaming ecosystem for any competitive game. It does not necessarily need to be matchmade games, there just needs to be a deep pool of ready and similarly skilled people to play with. Having this varied competition that tests and challenges is the essential appeal for grinding games and grinding games is the easiest way for a streamer to make mass amounts of content.

 

[Lokalo]

800-1k viewers is still a lot! Did not expect so many people to still watch.

well altely is more like 700-800 Peak viewers, not sure about average. But thing is that it declines quite rapidly obviously

The blue column is the number of net follower gain/loss per stream?!
That would be kind of heartbreaking if true...

What do you mean "if true", it's twitch stats page, not some 3rd party random stuff, so it is true lol.
Well I don't know if is sad or not, dude had a good stuff going for him, started jumping from one game to another, I'm pretty sure he still would get good numbers if he came back to aoe2. If he doesn't want to stream aoe2, well it's his decision. He can say he got tired of aoe2, well what can I say, I'm lazy to work in my job too.

I do agree with ladder issues though, although feel like top players themself didn't really do much to help with the situation, I still don't understand how 5-8 players of top16 can play BF and whine about no one to play in ladder, sure thing it sucks to have not enough people there, but didnt seem players tried to reach out to each other or do anything about it either. Pretty much similar as hera whining about walls, then getting more open map and right after quiting aoe2. Just too much inconsistency

 

[MaSmOrRa]

What do you mean "if true", it's twitch stats page, not some 3rd party random stuff, so it is true lol.

It literally is, in the purest of ways, a 3rd party "stuff".

What I meant with "if true" though was more "if I'm understanding this correctly".

 

[Lokalo]

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It literally is, in the purest of ways, a 3rd party "stuff".

What I meant with "if true" though was more "if I'm understanding this correctly".

That's my bad, thought it's official twitch site, although doubt it changes much. Maybe followers are written into the days he streams, meaning if he didnt stream for few days there might be more unfollowed at that day due the sum, not sure about that, but what matters here is direction where it goes is very clear though.

 

[oozkan]

Those blue portion is discouraging for any streamer, it is suprising that he is performing worse than Nili, I wouldn't expect that. May be it is because he had a bigger audience, when he reach equilibrium, his followers might still be higher than Nili though.

 

[warownia]

Those blue portion is discouraging for any streamer, it is suprising that he is performing worse than Nili, I wouldn't expect that. May be it is because he had a bigger audience, when he reach equilibrium, his followers might still be higher than Nili though.

aoe4 is still an aoe game while lol is much different thing.

 

[Snizl]

aoe4 is still an aoe game while lol is much different thing.

plus Nili also streams AoE2 again. Usually eats of his streams is split 50/50 between the two games right now I believe.

 

[IYIyTh]

I think they're just realizing how good they had it and perhaps that switching back to aoe2 isn't going to be so great as the momentum was intentionally gutted. Plus as the world pretend Covid is gone, people return to the office, etc.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

It seems like it started declining before he switched to League. He really was made as an AoE2 streamer so it is a shame he felt he had to leave for another game. It would be great for those who care about streaming if AoE2 had a better ladder scene than it currently does because that really is the foundational element of the streaming ecosystem for any competitive game. It does not necessarily need to be matchmade games, there just needs to be a deep pool of ready and similarly skilled people to play with. Having this varied competition that tests and challenges is the essential appeal for grinding games and grinding games is the easiest way for a streamer to make mass amounts of content.

Are you familiar with the Faceit Pro League in CS:GO?
I don't know if it still exists, but I wonder if a similar concept would be feasible in AoE2.

Matchmaking is always terrible for professional players for obvious reasons, but in CS:GO matchmaking is terrible in general.
Which is why offering a 3rd party matchmaking service (that's Faceit) is actually a viable business in that game.

Faceit basically allows very high rated players to join a queue just for themselves.
Since there are obviously only a few people who are very high rated, that queue is only active at a certain time of the day, but since it is usually active always at the same time each day, players can plan their training around it.

Whenever the "professional" queue is not active, they can simply just join the regular "plebeian" queue.
At the end of each month the top X players from the professional queue get a monetary reward.

I personally love this concept, but I'm not sure if we have enough active players to make this a thing.

 

[FeAge]

Are you familiar with the Faceit Pro League in CS:GO?
I don't know if it still exists, but I wonder if a similar concept would be feasible in AoE2.

Matchmaking is always terrible for professional players for obvious reasons, but in CS:GO matchmaking is terrible in general.
Which is why offering a 3rd party matchmaking service (that's Faceit) is actually a viable business in that game.

Faceit basically allows very high rated players to join a queue just for themselves.
Since there are obviously only a few people who are very high rated, that queue is only active at a certain time of the day, but since it is usually active always at the same time each day, players can plan their training around it.

Whenever the "professional" queue is not active, they can simply just join the regular "plebeian" queue.
At the end of each month the top X players from the professional queue get a monetary reward.

I personally love this concept, but I'm not sure if we have enough active players to make this a thing.

But Faceit worked for so long because the CSGO matchmaking is full of hackers so making a 3rd party matchmating service for pro players works great. Also, CS GO has 100x more active players than aoe2 so imagine how dead it would be for aoe2 if the current matchmaking is already pretty slow =(

 

[oozkan]

Also, CS GO has 100x more active players than aoe2 so imagine how dead it would be for aoe2 if the current matchmaking is already pretty slow =(

I was about to write same thing, player base is different, it is easier to open a discord channel with top 50 players and ask who is available.

Additionally, player level goes down drastically after top 20, may be 15.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

But Faceit worked for so long because the CSGO matchmaking is full of hackers so making a 3rd party matchmating service for pro players works great. Also, CS GO has 100x more active players than aoe2 so imagine how dead it would be for aoe2 if the current matchmaking is already pretty slow =(

I don't think hackers are the main reason, although it obviously doesn't help.
The reason is just that the concept of matchmaking doesn't work for the top 0.1% of players of any game.

Matchmaking needs a large pool of players to work properly and professional players will always be only a tiny fraction of a player base.

Of course the queue would be dead for most of the day, except for that time of the day where most people would agree to log on.

We basically see this already happening with the BF community.
There's a time of the day where activity spikes massively.

If on top of that we add monetary incentives, we maybe could get something rolling.

The player base size is obviously a concern though, you're absolutely right about that.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

I was about to write same thing, player base is different, it is easier to open a discord channel with top 50 players and ask who is available.

Additionally, player level goes down drastically after top 20, may be 15.

Very true, but they need 10 players pro game, we only need 2!

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Very true, but they need 10 players pro game, we only need 2!

no love for tg smh

 

[malamadre]

Which is the biggest fiasco?
Hera LoL streaming career
Nili whole aoe tournament coordinator conflict of interest/N4C
Golden League

 

[God]

Which is the biggest fiasco?
Hera LoL streaming career
Nili whole aoe tournament coordinator conflict of interest/N4C
Golden League

Viper losing to bact in DWL

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Which is the biggest fiasco?
Hera LoL streaming career
Nili whole aoe tournament coordinator conflict of interest/N4C
Golden League

AoE4 as a consumer product

 

[Zen1th]

Hera switched to AOE4 from AOE2, LOL from AOE4 and in the future it is inevitable for him to switch to Starcraft because he achieves everything so fast in every game title that he needs to constantly learn a new game and show his awesome mechanical micro skills before getting bored out of the game in three weeks. Wish you best of luck Hera!

 

[Kaschperili]

Which is the biggest fiasco?
Hera LoL streaming career
Nili whole aoe tournament coordinator conflict of interest/N4C
Golden League

Nili offering 100k to himself for his own Aoe4 tournament.

Corruption should never be normalized.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Nili offering 100k to himself for his own Aoe4 tournament.

People overrate Nili's misbehavior here. Yes there is a conflict of interest but it is also not unreasonable for him to receive funding for a major event nor surely was the decision to make his event AoE4 inconsistent with the wishes of his supervisors at Microsoft.

 

[oozkan]

People overrate Nili's misbehavior here.

No they don't.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

No they don't.

Did you read the rest of what I wrote? What do you think of those points specifically?

 

[LowEloNobody]

People overrate Nili's misbehavior here. Yes there is a conflict of interest but it is also not unreasonable for him to receive funding for a major event nor surely was the decision to make his event AoE4 inconsistent with the wishes of his supervisors at Microsoft.

I think if you asked Nili himself for an honest opinion on whether N4C should have been $100k given the outcome and viewership he would probably say no. But I also think he truly believed he would have much larger viewership (like 50-100k peak viewers)

 

[dodageka]

I think if you asked Nili himself for an honest opinion on whether N4C should have been $100k given the outcome and viewership he would probably say no. But I also think he truly believed he would have much larger viewership (like 50-100k peak viewers)

If you listen to his thoughts afterwards he said he and Microsoft talked about the event and started planning before deciding to make it AoE4. So yes, following his track record with the NACs it is very reasonable to assume that he could get significantly more viewers (at the time of starting, i.e. before deciding on the game). After that it was obviously very unfortunate that AoE4 did not turn out the way he and Microsoft apparently hoped.

Nili offering 100k to himself for his own Aoe4 tournament.

Corruption should never be normalized.

This is not corruption

 

[Snizl]

This is not corruption

it's really mind boggling how people can think, that a private company allocating promotional funds for a new game to the employee that has the most experience with organizing tournaments(promotional events) for similar games is corruption.