HC4: The ultimate guessing guide.

[MaSmOrRa]

Now that I think about it, Jordan does not make sense to be Admiral because he asked for a RE, then revealed the server they were playing and was typing in a Liereyy style a bit.

Yeah I find it very unlikely that Jordan could beat Mbl so clearly...

Admiral probably Lierrey, John probably Hera, Ivaylo provably Viper?

 

[PouletMayo1]

I thought it would be nice to place our guesses on a shared file to see how people here think alike and to see how wrong or right we will be.
If you would be interested to add your guesses : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fv95DmZYW9ZKWNwnRCO28m1vDmh36ww6TeravLvdZxA/edit?usp=sharing
Here are mine :

 

[Influenza]

Now that I think about it, Jordan does not make sense to be Admiral because he asked for a RE, then revealed the server they were playing and was typing in a Liereyy style a bit.

that was the only matchup i watched in entirety but it seemed clearly a mbl vs liereyy to me. I enjoyed the confident play from Admiral on the arabia match and it reminded of past games of liereyy. could be wrong tho lul

 

[Degaussed]

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I find it difficult to believe that Jordan could 3-0 Dogao so easily

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

that was the only matchup i watched in entirety but it seemed clearly a mbl vs liereyy to me. I enjoyed the confident play from Admiral on the arabia match and it reminded of past games of liereyy. could be wrong tho lul

Yeah, and that thrown game reminded me of his RBW series against Viper where he lost with Huns? to SAracens I believe on Cup

EDIT : + he might have realized talking to his opp that it was MBL so he picked Islands ^^

 

[PouletMayo1]

Admiral picked Island first as his home map. Would Liereyy really pick Island as first home map?

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

John is giving me Boomcov vibes:D

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

Admiral picked Island first as his home map. Would Liereyy really pick Island as first home map?

There were like 8 people picking Islands KEKW

 

[Johnie2020]

You people overestimating Jordan a lot lol when the the players will be revealed all of you will be dissapointed

 

[Jarvin]

You people overestimating Jordan a lot lol when the the players will be revealed all of you will be dissapointed

We are just big dreamers

 

[MaSmOrRa]

Ok, that trap was exceptionally clean...I have no clue who this guy is.

 

[BlotchedyDooDah]

This is what I'm working with, I think. Not confident on many...

 

[IamJeo]

This is ruining my live 2nd half ro16 guesses. This is Nicov vs Liereyy. Had Nicov already placed earlier, have to switch things up.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

that early gg call lol

Niiiiiiicov

 

[Freezing_Point]

I stepped out to get dinner and only got back a little while ago. Still, I'd placed everyone except Dogao and Liereyyy, so I'll stick to my guns...mostly.

 

[BlotchedyDooDah]

so if this might be nicov then where the hell is dogao?

 

[Rey_Fer]

Nicov villese maybe, but nicov wouldnt go for islands...

 

[Freezing_Point]

I mean, half the players have gone for Islands, so saying anyone but Barles wouldn't is pretty much indefensible by now.

 

[Degaussed]

Can anyone tell me a player who always has really well balanced eco and uses his market a lot to balance it? Other than Liereyy.

 

[_Andrew]

Sounds like the consensus is another Hera-Lierey quarterfinal matchup.

 

[Freezing_Point]

Some things are simply meant to be.

 

[oakaoe]

So can someone help me out here:
I really think the sloppy talking vs what might be MBL (Master Templar) plus the fact they best him this handily screams Lierrey or Hera. However that Hera - Tatoh set we all collectively put at 80% Hera / 20% Lierrey (due to micro, hussars, talking) takes care of one of them for sure. Then however you have the last set - again an amazing trap on cup, solid play throughout, and most importantly: also britons on cup, just like Hera.

So which one of the three isn't Hera or Liereyy, and who is it then?

Also can we focus quickly on shared strategies? We had indians on mudflow for Gonzalo and what we think is TatoH, so does that confirm Gonzalo as Daut? Same with the last two sets as mentioned above, any other common plays I've missed?

 

[DaisyChain]

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This is what I'm working with, I think. Not confident on many...

I see a world where this is all of that. But at the same time Nicov as Little John is a very real possibility.
Also the lack of Chinese pick on Arabia... I mean dogao can pick Malians but he tends to always go Chinese on Arabia. I'm just lost on dogao.
The issue I have is noone had a clear dogao style. The people who picked Islands would need to be reviewed, but none of them felt dogao. If dogao did not pick Islands, then I'm honestly lost because I made a lot of assumptions based on that.

I'm 100% sure of MbL, Vinch, Yo, DauT, Vivi, BacT, TaToH, Hera and Liereyy.
In isolation, I got strong suspiscions for ACCM, Villese, and Nicov as Little John.
Ivaylo is a GL player, either Viper or Jordan. The opponent felt pretty bad so hard to know his exact level. I have arguments for both.
Admiral felt too good for jordan but it is someone who speaks perfect English and can play on uk west vs MbL. I was on Viper initially, but it could be jordan after all. This can't be dogao on ukwest, this would be super unfair. If Admiral-Ivaylo aren't Viper and Jordan I missed something huge.
That leaves Barles, who could honestly be Jacqueline even if I'm still not 100% sure, but I don't know enough of his gameplay so I trust you guys.
And dogao. I don't believe he can be Bela. Bela was SO bad/scared/tilted, I feel bad putting anyone there except a very tilted Nicov. Which may be very rude for Nicov, especially if this isn't him. If I find dogao I may understand what I got wrong. I may end up forgetting the signs I saw for Nicov on Little John and just say the exact same as you... but... that feels too easy. I want to be certain.

So can someone help me out here:
I really think the sloppy talking vs what might be MBL (Master Templar) plus the fact they best him this handily screams Lierrey or Hera. However that Hera - Tatoh set we all collectively put at 80% Hera / 20% Lierrey (due to micro, hussars, talking) takes care of one of them for sure. Then however you have the last set - again an amazing trap on cup, solid play throughout, and most importantly: also britons on cup, just like Hera.

So which one of the three isn't Hera or Liereyy, and who is it then?

Also can we focus quickly on shared strategies? We had indians on mudflow for Gonzalo and what we think is TatoH, so does that confirm Gonzalo as Daut? Same with the last two sets as mentioned above, any other common plays I've missed?

Ivaylo had Turks and Bypass in his draft, like the guy who I think is DauT, even if he did not play it. To me he's another GL, could be either Jordan or Viper. They can sometimes be hard to tell apart, especially because the opponent played pretty bad and offered little resistance.

 

[oakaoe]

lso the lack of Chinese pick on Arabia... I mean dogao can pick Malians but he tends to always go Chinese on Arabia. I'm just lost on dogao.
The issue I have is noone had a clear dogao style. The people who picked Islands would need to be reviewed, but none of them felt dogao. If dogao did not pick Islands, then I'm honestly lost because I made a lot of assumptions based on that.

Just a quick fun fact about two players: During their 5 respectively 6 KOTD3 sets, all except one set had them play Malians in the first or second game (too lazy to check where they drafted them):

Dogao and Villese

Edit: also, MBL played quite a bit of mongols in early games of his sets, even first vs Villese in the semis. Tho I think the MBL guess doesn't need more proof.

 

[Freezing_Point]

Speaking of, Dogao picked Malians in game 1 of his set with Villese in Hidden Cup 2, so there's a bit more precedent for that choice.