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UnknownDyT_Bull3T

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I think we're living very harsh times due to the COVID-19 pandemic, during which there has been an increase of anxiety and stress that cause by being in quarantine, plus the existence of friends and/or family sick of COVID-19; this is why I believe that playing Age of Empires is a way of escaping this current reality we're living in. For all these reasons I consider that racism in this day and age is something that shouldn't be taken slightly and should be punished properly.
All this related to the events from sunday involving a player that surely we all know, Capoch.He was on his stream playing with more than 600 viewers watching a ranked 1v1 against a mexican player (Lobodelanieve a Solid 2k-2k1 player), Capoch lost and started throwing insults at him, and,unfairly accusing him of cheating, just because he supposedly made suspicious moves, but in reality he did not do anything strange, I checked the recorded game more than three times and I did not perceive anything strange, Lobo made intelligent movements, taking the opportunity to put a castle when he had army superiority and that action was the beginning of all.

Lobo tried to talk with him after the match in the chat but Capoch just banned him without reason.

I think for him it is very common to say rubbish since this isn't the first time it happens, a month ago Capoch did the same to LaaaaaN, I remember the match was celt vs lithuanians and Capoch went for very fast drush and when he arrives the LaaaaN’s base, LaaaN was already walled and with loom, because that Capoch started to blame LaaaN, accusing him of stream cheating, LaaaN tried to explain why he has loom and walled his berries, but Capoch just Ban him from his chanel as well.
It seems like a small thing, but it is really annoying for people who play honorably(LaaaaN and Lobo) to be judged by a streamer who bans you when you are trying to explain what happened.
Capoch probably doesn't know the power of his words, but the people that don't know who are LaaaN or Lobo just started to blame them as well… saying things like "shitty Mexicans", "mexican cheaters", and yes mexicans as in plural, not just the one he was playing against, which is an offense to all of us mexicans, as well as an act of racism that is apparently common amongst argentinians, as there have been other player from the country being accused of this same thing.
If you see the AoE Facebook groups right now there are a lot of comments saying “Lobo stream cheater” “All mexicans are the same ****” “It's normal in Argentina to talk like that, don't be part of the crystal generation” (I have screenshots as well if you’re trying to deny this)
Another thing is that it's not only against the Mexican community, but also against the Asians, specifically with an old and well known player Tim member of WWP team, that he has this attitude and racist comments. Tim was playing him on migration and Capoch started insulting him with things like "shitty chinese", "you're this needy for points", "small ****", so this is not only a problem with the mexicans but in general, seems racism is natural in him. I wonder what would the community think about someone behaving like that?
How hypocritical can you be to be talking **** about a nation (possibly the largest) that has contributed so much to the game with incredible amounts of money for tournaments and not to mention its excellent players.
I am writing this here because we are being censored from other Hispanic community sites and these racist actions that should not be normalized since the AoE community is small and directly affects a large part of the players.
Capoch already deleted the VoD and the Clips from his channel(Why?,If he never insults anyone), but fortunately I downloaded the Clips as proof. (Special thanks to Bl4ck for this tip)


The first proof is this :
https://youtu.be/0LAEinLhCXM

CAPOCH : Poner favorite migración ¿Que tan looser puedes ser realmente ? Osea banear Arabia y poner favorite migración realmente es de p*ja chica,(énfasis) de p*ja chica bien Chino.

[En]Capoch: Set migration as favorite… How looser can you really be? I mean ban Arabia and set migration as favorite is really little d*ck,(emphasis) little d*ck as Chineses.


The second proof :
https://youtu.be/v6ZU2aCz2cM

CAPOCH: Mirá qué dudoso hermano, qué dudoso no me scouteaste nunca, hermano salí del stream hijo de p*ta molero, que molero hijo de p*ta, nunca me scouteo esto.
Nota: En la expresión “molero” es evidente que refleja intolerancia, odio y discriminacion a personas mexicanas con bajos recursos.

[En] Capoch : Look, how suspicious brother, how suspicious you never scout me, brother get out from my stream son of b*tch molero, what a molero son of b*tch, he never scout this side.

Note: In the expression "molero" it is evident that it reflects intolerance, hatred and discrimination against mexican people with low resources.

I personally feel disappointed by how the Latino community overlooked this situation, I hope they think about the community a little and do not normalize this type of toxic behavior that in the end affects us all.

That's all I want to say, thanks to the people who took the time to read my most sincere and honest opinion, have a good day and hopefully the AoE grows like never before.
 
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3/10 drama rating.
 
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This should not be tolerated, in a community where players have already been sanctioned for doing illegal things, getting into racism is much worse, insulting someone and being racist and xenophobic should not be tolerated today, let's hope and the de aoe zone do something about it and don't go unpunished.
 
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Even rage "racist jokes" shouldn't must be allowed anywhere, thats why we stay changing as society, i dont call my south american friends "sudacas" joking because thats racist, he must make an public apologize.
 
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agreed #blm #metoo
 
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there is another topic about the same issues already. capoch answered there. i wont comment on his answer here.

Capoch and his unfortunate coments

Yesterday on capoch stream, he makes some unfortunate coments, he was losing against a mexican player and he Blame him of sepect cheat, he said; that is why mexicans petes( ******s) and another bullshits, are banned for all the tournaments. I know that there have Been some cases where a couple...
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I dont know that this is really racism. There are several Mexican players that cheat and spec cheat for each other its known and documented the problem is that they smurf alot so when you grind all day and stream you get ****ed over by these guys constantly and the frustration builds up because devs don't do anything about it. So saying "the Mexican cheaters" is diff than saying "Mexicans always cheat" totally different imo. I think people don't realize how many shitty spec/stream cheaters we have in the community even at a 2k level, its alot.

That being said, I didn't watch so maybe hes being racist on top of calling out the Mexican cheaters, no idea on that.
 
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Spring_ said:
I dont know that this is really racism. There are several Mexican players that cheat and spec cheat for each other its known and documented the problem is that they smurf alot so when you grind all day and stream you get ****ed over by these guys constantly and the frustration builds up because devs don't do anything about it. So saying "the Mexican cheaters" is diff than saying "Mexicans always cheat" totally different imo. I think people don't realize how many shitty spec/stream cheaters we have in the community even at a 2k level, its alot.

That being said, I didn't watch so maybe hes being racist on top of calling out the Mexican cheaters, no idea on that.
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the thing with known cheaters is only one of the issues brought up. the other (and in my opinion bigger one) is how he reakts to tim. not only that it is absolutely over the top to insult anyone in whatever way only because he has a different map preferred, but also the way he talks about him and enlarges that towards all chineses.

i will not call him a racist, but what he does there is pretty close to racistic wording. maybe it is something he did never think about before. so he might want to do that now and stop using expressions like that. but the first step would be an honest apology.
 
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the thing with known cheaters is only one of the issues brought up. the other (and in my opinion bigger one) is how he reakts to tim. not only that it is absolutely over the top to insult anyone in whatever way only because he has a different map preferred, but also the way he talks about him and enlarges that towards all chineses.

i will not call him a racist, but what he does there is pretty close to racistic wording. maybe it is something he did never think about before. so he might want to do that now and stop using expressions like that. but the first step would be an honest apology.
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ya to this point I cant speak, I havn't watched any of the streams so your probably right that there is a multifaceted problem going on :smile:
 
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Capoch's appearance on the Age Of Empires scene was refreshing to me. I like his style, he is very honest about his opinions. And he uses strong language, which can be misinterpreted for someone who is not familiar with the way spanish is popularly spoken in Argentina. These accusations are very unfair, they are taking a couple of sentences out of context to make him look bad, twisting the meaning of his words.
 
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i just wana know what tim thinks about capoch calling him small d*ck , chinese small d*ck , or even more does capoch knows that bacT is asian too? does he knows that this community is still alive becouse the sponsors in majority are chinese , that he just played a memb torney wich was sponsored be PinzTec which is a chinise company , what would microsoft or PinzTec about this? im pretty sure they wouldnt think oh its just game everyone insults i hope this dont go to far becouse nowdays this is very serius.

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espabefe said:
i just wana know what tim thinks about capoch calling him small d*ck , chinese small d*ck , or even more does capoch knows that bacT is asian too? does he knows that this community is still alive becouse the sponsors in majority are chinese , that he just played a memb torney wich was sponsored be PinzTec which is a chinise company , what would microsoft or PinzTec about this? im pretty sure they wouldnt think oh its just game everyone insults i hope this dont go to far becouse nowdays this is very serius.
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again just like with the 3 mexicans; accusing him of insulting a whoooooole country in a xenophobic way, when it was just 3 known cheaters.

Now u saying because he raged about tim, he disrespects all china and all of asia? how is bact related with any of this even 11

Its just a ridiculous way to argue (and no, I didn't just say all mexicans are ridiculous, just the ones that argue this way).
 
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agreed #blm #metoo
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now that Carlini told me about your racism (in that deleted post this week) this is more of a mock rather than a serious post.
 
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zuviss said:
again just like with the 3 mexicans; accusing him of insulting a whoooooole country in a xenophobic way, when it was just 3 known cheaters.

Now u saying because he raged about tim, he disrespects all china and all of asia? how is bact related with any of this even 11

Its just a ridiculous way to argue (and no, I didn't just say all mexicans are ridiculous, just the ones that argue this way).
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Since Capoch deleted the VoD I don't understand how the "3 known cheaters" get involved. Maybe you can explain a little about what happened.
 
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I might cheat my way to 2k, any recommendations on this matter, uzzi?
 
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I might cheat my way to 2k, any recommendations on this matter, uzzi?
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Ofc bro, you can follow me to get some tips: https://www.twitch.tv/uzzi_aoe
You are always welcome :smile:
 
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I am sorry if people missunderstood my comments the other day, I was always referring to the 3 known spect cheaters, not the entire mexican community.

And regarding the laugh about tim banning arabia and picking migration, that was on an ironic mood and if u watched the stream, you would probably catch that (instead of a clip that only tries to make me look bad).
Many people joke and criticize others on streams, sometimes even not in an ironic way, and that is life my friend.

This post and the other trying to damage me makes me really sad and only demostrates how bad our hispanic community is.

Thanks to this, from now on i will be only streaming in english and welcoming the entire world to watch the stream and try to have some fun, some high level games with not so epic gameplay.

www.twitch.tv/capoch

glhf!
 
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Lemme understand how 3 Mexican players are involved in the game you were playing if your opponent wasn't one of them, please, i am very confused.
 
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DyT_Arkantos said:
Lemme understand how 3 Mexican players are involved in the game you were playing if your opponent wasn't one of them, please, i am very confused.
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If you watched the game from my POV, you would understand that there were lots of "weird" momments during that game that made me think this, and considering that Mexico "top" players are well known cheaters, it's normal to think that this is one of them too. And I still believe that it's still possible that he sniped, just need to confirm it when we face again and play some more games (and the fact that there were 2 or more spectators, makes it more weird and also the spect cheaters, were in my stream too).

I am sorry that your "top" players are cheaters, that is really bad for Mexico, and it ruins the country reputation in AoE2, specially considering that I have some friends from other games that are really good and they represent Mexico in a top level with great sportmanship.

This will be my last post in this regard, doesn't deserve so much attention to be honest. You've already achieved to damage my reputation in a wrongly and undeserved manner, so be happy!

Viva Mexico!
 
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Just want you to know the power of your words, hate is really easy to spread. As a mexican i also get some blaming from other players that have just s*** on the brain and it is more frequently nowadays than 10 years ago. Also calling Lobo cheater in front of 700 viewers can hurt its reputation, i remember the case of Fulgore who got banned from the AoE scene because Chris pointed his finger to him after got beat in a tourney.
 
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L_Clan_Capoch said:
If you watched the game from my POV
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Wish we could but there's no VOD!
 
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L_Clan_Capoch said:
If you watched the game from my POV, you would understand that there were lots of "weird" momments during that game that made me think this, and considering that Mexico "top" players are well known cheaters, it's normal to think that this is one of them too. And I still believe that it's still possible that he sniped, just need to confirm it when we face again and play some more games (and the fact that there were 2 or more spectators, makes it more weird and also the spect cheaters, were in my stream too).

I am sorry that your "top" players are cheaters, that is really bad for Mexico, and it ruins the country reputation in AoE2, specially considering that I have some friends from other games that are really good and they represent Mexico in a top level with great sportmanship.

This will be my last post in this regard, doesn't deserve so much attention to be honest. You've already achieved to damage my reputation in a wrongly and undeserved manner, so be happy!

Viva Mexico!
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iv rly cant find the ironic words on calling tim chinese small **** ,also if you were only ironic why u deleted ur video? you were also saying that he was stream sniping you to play migra against you in a despective way , same way you also called laan stream cheater becouse he walled and make loom fast , instead of apologize to the community now your trying to look like a victim becouse something you said , dude grow up , if ur image is damaged is becouse u insulted a country and a race (asians) and once again ur being despective saying '' VIVA MEXICO''
 
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same way you also called laan stream cheater becouse he walled and make loom fast
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@LaaaaaN stream cheater confirmed
 
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L_Clan_Capoch said:
And regarding the laugh about tim banning arabia and picking migration, that was on an ironic mood and if u watched the stream, you would probably catch that (instead of a clip that only tries to make me look bad).
Many people joke and criticize others on streams, sometimes even not in an ironic way, and that is life my friend.
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still not a single word of apology or insight. Is it so hard to understand that you crossed a line there? It doesn’t even matter if it was in irony or not. There just are things that civilized people do not make fun of. And things that get dangerously close to racism are definitely amongst those things. And that is life my friend.
 
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[En]Capoch: Set migration as favorite… How looser can you really be? I mean ban Arabia and set migration as favorite is really little d*ck,(emphasis) little d*ck as Chineses.
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@nevergone (Pintec) in case he is around or planning to sponsor more tournaments.

I know these sentences were taken out of context, but I genuinely don't know what context would make it sounds appropriate.
 
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