Ertug back and still cheating: a showcase

[TheCapybara]

It's no secret to many of you that Ertug has resurfaced yet again. Well, it seems like he may still be cheating too (big shock, I know). Following on from a post I made in a different thread with a couple of screenshots, I felt it worthwhile reviewing the entire game that came from so people can have a better idea of the context.

Attached is the recording of that hideout game, played against cloud the other day (18th April), and there are some suspicious moments during the game which I will highlight here. I'll score each moment from 1 to 10 with how suspicious I think it is: 1 = minorly odd, but could easily just be coincidence, might happen with any high level player; 10 = I cannot think of a plausible explanation for this behaviour.

Dark Age:
00:01:20 - Scouts around the outside looking for deer, none visible in line of sight. Clears one spot, then moves around to the next, goes past the most obvious location and finds them a bit round the corner in a slightly unusual spot, but still plausible. Some players might have gone to the opposite side of the base before checking this spot, but not completely ridiculous. 1/10

00:08:45 - Opts to play maa-towers (perfectly normal, especially against Turks). Doesn't scout opponent and happens to choose to go the short route to cloud's base round the outside. Not outright dodgy, but certain fortuitous. If not Ertug, would probably just describe this as 'lucky'. 2/10

Feudal Age:
00:13:20 - Having broken in, forced walls and towers on gold and taken cloud of berries, Ertug chooses not to scout further in with his still full-hp scout. Instead, he opts to break out of the base here and move further round. Meanwhile cloud has walled off and started towering his stone which is out of Ertug's LoS. Feels odd that Ertug wouldn't use his scout to gather more info on the base layout here so he can decide whether a tower would be good, especially as he has full control of this section of the base. 5/10

The game then enters a relatively normal phase, with cloud castling a couple of towers and Ertug trying to get some stone walls up on the side to buy time against Janissaries.

Castle Age:
00:23:00 - Ertug gets a monastery up and starts collecting relics. This is a great moment to enter view lock (this rec is from Ertug's PoV, so it should work relatively reliably). He takes his monk and tasks it into a patch of fog of war on the west side of the map. The is a relic towards the south-west of cloud's base which he might reasonably want to target, given he has some vision of this area of the map. Instead, he seems to task the monk through the FoW to exactly where a relic is hidden. On view lock, he never returns to this monk whilst it is heading this direction until it has already picked up the relic. It would be plausible if he had had to double-back with the monk after spotting the relic on the minimap, but there's absolutely no indication that this is what happened. Only slightly plausible explanation would be view lock being broken. 9/10

00:25:20 - Ertug's base gets castle-dropped, taking him off two gold piles. He runs some vills up towards his TC on the north-east of his base, then goes beyond and places a mining camp. There is nothing visible in his scouting for him to place this mining camp next to, but remove the FoW and it happens to be perfectly placed to efficiently gather from a three-tile gold. There is categorically no plausible explanation for this. 10/10

00:28:20 - He has now got a third relic coming back to his base, sends a monk out to look for a fourth (he knows the fifth is inaccessible because of cloud's castle and army). There are a couple of plausible spots the relic might be, most likely in either the west corner or south corner of the map. He ignores the west corner (by far the biggest unexplored area for him at this point) and sends his monk to the south of cloud's base, tasking it to about five tiles beyond the relic through the FoW. Feels lucky, and a bit odd to ignore a big area of the map unexplored, but perhaps would not merit mention if done by a clean player. 4/10

00:31:15 - cloud is breaking further in and Ertug evaucates some villagers for TCs round the side, whilst sending a group up to the north corner of the map. He very quickly finds a neutral stone. Not implausible that someone would search for neutral resources here, given how empty the rest of the west side of the map is, but certainly very convenient that he found the stone so straightforwardly. 5/10

I am the first to admit that my judgement when dealing with Ertug will always be tainted by his past, and so it's possible to see gremlins where there may be none (e.g. the unscouted maa-towers, finding the neutral stone), however there are a couple of moments in this game which categorically do not feel plausible.

Included below is a list of all the accounts recognised by aoe2.net as Ertug's, for tracking purposes:
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9687739
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9599374
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9792453
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9888746
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9926868 (the account used for the game detailed above)
https://aoe2.net/#profile-10041821

 

[Influenza]

still not convinced, i'd like to see more from this guy

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

Must be a game sense, he has been playing the game forever .

 

[Salawen]

ertug will go to hell. he is just a bad human in general.

 

[vince]

is he having to repurchase the game repeatedly for all these separate accounts?

 

[TheCapybara]

is he having to repurchase the game repeatedly for all these separate accounts?

I would assume he's purchasing it once and making a bunch of separate accounts and family sharing it across them all (can do so with up to 10 accounts, iirc).

 

[_The_Deep_One_]

This is just fantastic

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

This is just fantastic


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He had a bayraktar flying over there giving him intel

 

[King_Boo]

This is just fantastic


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Guys he just misclicked. He meant to make a house and got lucky

 

[Spaden]

There are only three things in this world that are certain.

1: Water is wet
2: Viper's dynasty is over
3: Ertug is always cheating

 

[FeAge]

There are only three things in this world that are certain.

1: Water is wet
2: Viper's dynasty is over
3: Ertug is always cheating

Death?

 

[Nicov]

Ideally using ertug as a nickname should be enough reason to receive a permanent ban. Unfortunately it needs to be proven every single time even though we know he is cheating.

 

[King_Boo]

Anyone else like being able to select relics through the black map? no? just ertug things?

 

[TheCapybara]

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Anyone else like being able to select relics through the black map? no? just ertug things?

It's just a new DLC feature, he got early access.

 

[Philippe le Bon]

ErTuG_ is the type of people who had never flushed a public toilet in their life after going #2, just for the cheer pleasure of disgusting the next person/the janitors.

Spoiler

maybe even doing on the floor from time to time

That's how evil he is.

 

[Tocaraca]

Disappointing but not surprising. Survivalist played a few games against him where nothing seemed out of the ordinary. I figured maybe after he was gone for a while he had decided to stop cheating and just play normally.

 

[jagsfan515]

It's no secret to many of you that Ertug has resurfaced yet again. Well, it seems like he may still be cheating too (big shock, I know). Following on from a post I made in a different thread with a couple of screenshots, I felt it worthwhile reviewing the entire game that came from so people can have a better idea of the context.

Attached is the recording of that hideout game, played against cloud the other day (18th April), and there are some suspicious moments during the game which I will highlight here. I'll score each moment from 1 to 10 with how suspicious I think it is: 1 = minorly odd, but could easily just be coincidence, might happen with any high level player; 10 = I cannot think of a plausible explanation for this behaviour.

Dark Age:
00:01:20 - Scouts around the outside looking for deer, none visible in line of sight. Clears one spot, then moves around to the next, goes past the most obvious location and finds them a bit round the corner in a slightly unusual spot, but still plausible. Some players might have gone to the opposite side of the base before checking this spot, but not completely ridiculous. 1/10

00:08:45 - Opts to play maa-towers (perfectly normal, especially against Turks). Doesn't scout opponent and happens to choose to go the short route to cloud's base round the outside. Not outright dodgy, but certain fortuitous. If not Ertug, would probably just describe this as 'lucky'. 2/10

Feudal Age:
00:13:20 - Having broken in, forced walls and towers on gold and taken cloud of berries, Ertug chooses not to scout further in with his still full-hp scout. Instead, he opts to break out of the base here and move further round. Meanwhile cloud has walled off and started towering his stone which is out of Ertug's LoS. Feels odd that Ertug wouldn't use his scout to gather more info on the base layout here so he can decide whether a tower would be good, especially as he has full control of this section of the base. 5/10

The game then enters a relatively normal phase, with cloud castling a couple of towers and Ertug trying to get some stone walls up on the side to buy time against Janissaries.

Castle Age:
00:23:00 - Ertug gets a monastery up and starts collecting relics. This is a great moment to enter view lock (this rec is from Ertug's PoV, so it should work relatively reliably). He takes his monk and tasks it into a patch of fog of war on the west side of the map. The is a relic towards the south-west of cloud's base which he might reasonably want to target, given he has some vision of this area of the map. Instead, he seems to task the monk through the FoW to exactly where a relic is hidden. On view lock, he never returns to this monk whilst it is heading this direction until it has already picked up the relic. It would be plausible if he had had to double-back with the monk after spotting the relic on the minimap, but there's absolutely no indication that this is what happened. Only slightly plausible explanation would be view lock being broken. 9/10

00:25:20 - Ertug's base gets castle-dropped, taking him off two gold piles. He runs some vills up towards his TC on the north-east of his base, then goes beyond and places a mining camp. There is nothing visible in his scouting for him to place this mining camp next to, but remove the FoW and it happens to be perfectly placed to efficiently gather from a three-tile gold. There is categorically no plausible explanation for this. 10/10

00:28:20 - He has now got a third relic coming back to his base, sends a monk out to look for a fourth (he knows the fifth is inaccessible because of cloud's castle and army). There are a couple of plausible spots the relic might be, most likely in either the west corner or south corner of the map. He ignores the west corner (by far the biggest unexplored area for him at this point) and sends his monk to the south of cloud's base, tasking it to about five tiles beyond the relic through the FoW. Feels lucky, and a bit odd to ignore a big area of the map unexplored, but perhaps would not merit mention if done by a clean player. 4/10

00:31:15 - cloud is breaking further in and Ertug evaucates some villagers for TCs round the side, whilst sending a group up to the north corner of the map. He very quickly finds a neutral stone. Not implausible that someone would search for neutral resources here, given how empty the rest of the west side of the map is, but certainly very convenient that he found the stone so straightforwardly. 5/10

I am the first to admit that my judgement when dealing with Ertug will always be tainted by his past, and so it's possible to see gremlins where there may be none (e.g. the unscouted maa-towers, finding the neutral stone), however there are a couple of moments in this game which categorically do not feel plausible.

Included below is a list of all the accounts recognised by aoe2.net as Ertug's, for tracking purposes:
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9687739
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9599374
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9792453
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9888746
https://aoe2.net/#profile-9926868 (the account used for the game detailed above)
https://aoe2.net/#profile-10041821

Sad part is bet the guy would still be a good player if he played fair maybe make a new new new account and see how far he can get w/o cheating. As far as trash talk tho who cares it's a game go play one round of COD you will remember what it was like to be less privileged with a decent player base.

 

[Spring_]

Ertug vision hack the devs next plz & ty.

 

[Tiekel]

Disappointing but not surprising. Survivalist played a few games against him where nothing seemed out of the ordinary. I figured maybe after he was gone for a while he had decided to stop cheating and just play normally.

I digged up a forum post about him back in 2010. Most repeat offenders don't get this much credit. This guy is like a ghost because the platform allows him to be

 

[komtan]

how to stop Sauron...

 

[SouFire]

It was more than a year ago that the devs knew about the vulnerability, if you guys think that only ertug is evil and using cheats, you probably are too naive, those people could actually be participating in cash events, just saying where the real attention should be.

 

[Fanjita]

Sad part is bet the guy would still be a good player if he played fair maybe make a new new new account and see how far he can get w/o cheating. As far as trash talk tho who cares it's a game go play one round of COD you will remember what it was like to be less privileged with a decent player base.

I don't understand why people want to give credit to him or even suggest it's sad. No he couldn't be a good player because he relies on cheats and it's no loss to the community if he doesn't play.

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

You cannot tell that Ertug is a good plajer, dude's been playing in spectator mode his whole life, like that even I could get a good rating.

 

[_Andrew]

This actually made me feel nostalgic. Like no matter how much time passes or whatever else is going on in the world, knowing Ertug is playing Aoe2 and hacking his ass off gives me some sort of odd comfort that all is well in the world.

 

[Faultier321]

As long as it is just that 1 guy who is cheating since 10 years, as long as it is that obvious and everyone knows about it, to me its just funny.

On a serious note, it would be worrying if more people did it and the Devs should do something about it.