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dodageka · Sep 5, 2019

If the timeframe is fixed, Nili could still increase it to 32 players but force them to play two rounds in the week of 22nd to 29th

Nili_AoE · Sep 6, 2019

when playing double elimination, doubling the field adds more than 1 week

QuiKSilveR · Sep 6, 2019

Sign me up please

liverpoolgamer · Sep 6, 2019

Nili_AoE said:
when playing double elimination, doubling the field adds more than 1 week

grassPlz

kalkkaro · Sep 6, 2019

Some though seeding decisions to make with all those RMers signing up. What ever is the way of seeding, just keep in mind : people want to see Jordan Back!

Influenza · Sep 6, 2019

you could always have a single elim qualifier round until the top 16. No expert player is gonna play in the silver league, unless they are playing exclusively for fun

diseased · Sep 6, 2019

While it's obviously not practical to just change the whole tourney format (again) at a moment's notice, in my opinion a 32-man single elimination would have been much more hype than a 16-man double elimination, especially since that way you have room to stack the bracket with both the DM specialists and RM guys. The way it looks now, it seems some great players who signed up won't make the top 16 cutoff. Double elim always robs a lot of the hype from a tourney for me, because it's like half the sets aren't quite "for real" when players are only risking being moved into the LB. It doesn't seem to bring out the competitive spirit in players and viewers the same way the risk of actual elimination does.

That said, I'm still really looking forward to it and I hope everything goes great.

Bowserlord · Sep 6, 2019

diseased said:
While it's obviously not practical to just change the whole tourney format (again) at a moment's notice, in my opinion a 32-man single elimination would have been much more hype than a 16-man double elimination, especially since that way you have room to stack the bracket with both the DM specialists and RM guys. The way it looks now, it seems some great players who signed up won't make the top 16 cutoff. Double elim always robs a lot of the hype from a tourney for me, because it's like half the sets aren't quite "for real" when players are only risking being moved into the LB. It doesn't seem to bring out the competitive spirit in players and viewers the same way the risk of actual elimination does.

That said, I'm still really looking forward to it and I hope everything goes great.

Double elimination is a very important competitive setting. U will rarly see a competitive tourney without loser-brackets. And making your way through losers into grand is more hype then nothing else.
Its much more important then giving players a RE or something like that.

I hope enougth time is planned if reset will happen in grand finals (2 series).

diseased · Sep 6, 2019

Bowserlord said:
Double elimination is a very important competitive setting. U will rarly see a competitive tourney without loser-brackets. And making your way through losers into grand is more hype then nothing else.
Its much more important then giving players a RE or something like that.

I hope enougth time is planned if reset will happen in grand finals (2 series).

Weeelll...KotD 1 and 2, NAC 1 and 2 (final stage), HC 1 and 2 for example were all mostly or completely single elimination in format and yet as far as I've seen nobody ever challenged or disrespected the competitive validity of those results based on the elimination format. They threw shade on every other possible setting, but not that, which is saying something considering the power of the aoezone drama mill. In fact you could say that up until now the aoe2 scene has thrived on single elimination as a format for grade A tourneys, especially 1v1.

Not to mention there are anomalies that can occur when players match twice, that are arguably uncompetitive. For example say players A and B play a bo7 earlier in the bracket then bo9 grand finals. In the bo7 Player A scores 4:1 over player B and sends him to LB. Player B fights through the LB and gets to the grand final. They play the grand final and B wins 5:4 and the tournament. Yet when you combine the games to get the overall performance, A vs B was 8:6. Player A lost by having a better win record against his opponent! If A sends B packing in a single elimination, nobody questions who performed more competitively overall: B got clapped, end of story.

Just food for thought.

Bowserlord · Sep 6, 2019

diseased said:
Not to mention there are anomalies that can occur when players match twice, that are arguably uncompetitive. For example say players A and B play a bo7 earlier in the bracket then bo9 grand finals. In the bo7 Player A scores 4:1 over player B and sends him to LB. Player B fights through the LB and gets to the grand final. They play the grand final and B wins 5:4 and the tournament. Yet when you combine the games to get the overall performance, A vs B was 8:6. Player A lost by having a better win record against his opponent! If A sends B packing in a single elimination, nobody questions who performed more competitively overall: B got clapped, end of story.

Cmon, thats why u have a reset in grand if loser wins first series. Is aoe2 really so far away from competitive e-sport? cheeese

But never the less, i think everyone here (me included) wants to see a 32-player-bracket, this would just be awesome. Nili is clever, if its possible, he will make it. Seeing top players competiting in silver league with nearly no pricepool seems also a bit wrong.

Tarsiz · Sep 7, 2019

Bowserlord said:
Cmon, thats why u have a reset in grand if loser wins first series. Is aoe2 really so far away from competitive e-sport?

Except that we don't. For the latest double elim tournaments, never had the loser had to play two matches when winning the first set. Usually double elim ends up with a game or home map advantage for the team or player out of the winner bracket.

Double elim is not as competitive as single elim and it cushions the high seeds from an early upset.
Guess it evens out the field in the end.

Bowserlord · Sep 7, 2019

Tarsiz said:
Double elim is not as competitive as single elim and it cushions the high seeds from an early upset.

Wrong. Competitive settings means that the best player has the highest chance to win cause of his skill. If top seeds have an upset early on, cause of bad day or illness (what can often happen in RTS games like aoe) a worser player will win the tourney. That should not happen in competitive settings. Repetitiv top8 and clean sweeps in the earlier rounds are good hints for compeitive settings and game.

Nili_AoE · Sep 9, 2019

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TheViper	1
Kellan/QuEnDi_True	2
Orkut/TheCode	3
Daywalker	4
Nili	5
Rubenstock	6
Leash	7
TaToH	8
Rage	9
Praxes	10
_ZaRYaB_	11
Dkc_Incredibles	12
MbL	13
Yo	14
Vinchester	15
Frost_8	16
Jordan	17
bruh	18
miguel	19
PaladinZ	20
DauT	21
LaaaaN	22
L3af	23
Nicov	24
Barakah	25
BacT	26
Tamerlane	27
Clemensor	28
Spring	29
Hera	30
Vivi	31
Dragonstar	32
QQV	33
Dans	34
PnB_billie	35
mentalist	36
Spaden	37
Kid_Chino	38
ImComing	39
Nico77	40
ACCM	41
BlackGoku	42
AoM92	43
_Crime	44
LocoSer	45
Shindou	46
fall	47
Shed	48
Gregstein	49
Maxi	50
paradoxon	51
Quicksilver	52
Legend	53

eC_Gurke · Sep 9, 2019

Did i miss something or is ACCM missing?

ACCM · Sep 9, 2019

Gerald_Asamoah said:
Did i miss something or is ACCM missing?

that's my question too 111

Nili_AoE · Sep 9, 2019

our bad, added.

MaJoR_Kd · Sep 9, 2019

also I am missing ^_^

Toom03 · Sep 9, 2019

Nili vs Clemensor in the first round :frown:

good luck to all players :smile:

Nili_AoE · Sep 9, 2019

MaJoR_Kd said:
also I am missing ^_^

A sign-up with a profile link was missing ^_^

MaJoR_Kd · Sep 9, 2019

Nili_AoE said:
A sign-up with a profile link was missing ^_^

oops... https://www.voobly.com/profile/view/24417

It's me, Animosity - can I be added?

Nili_AoE · Sep 9, 2019

Deadline was yesterday.

MaJoR_Kd · Sep 9, 2019

Nili_AoE said:
Deadline was yesterday.

Umm ... okay. sorry then

MaJoR_Kd · Sep 9, 2019

MaJoR_Kd said:
Umm ... okay. sorry then

it was just geniune mistake

kw1k000000 · Sep 9, 2019

Congratulations Nili and looking forward to the tournament.

Great admin decision to add a single elimination qualifier for top 16. Avoids all the troubles and questions while provides some good set of games.

Bowserlord · Sep 9, 2019

really smart solution nili!

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