Maybe season 2 for aoe4 gives a better reflection of the active player base.
Thats what people were saying about season 1, Dec patch, Jan patch .. :D
Maybe season 2 for aoe4 gives a better reflection of the active player base.
Reminder:Isn't it slightly unfair to only compare steam numbers? If you look at the side which aoeZone is interested in, the competitive ladder, the playerbases are roughly equal according to aoe2.net and aoeiv.net if you look at the 1v1 ladder.
I don't play aoe4 myself, nor do I really enjoy to watch it, but if you want to compare the competitive playerbase the 1v1 ladders seem like the best comparison to me.
Yeah sorry that might change the picture. But are you sure that age 2 2013 has more players there?BRO GAMEPASS BRO
Is this still accurate? I know that a the DM ranked ladder patch broke the expiration of old accounts for awhileReminder:
AOE2 ladder = 28 days
AOE4 RM ladder = 2month+ (Maybe there wont be any active mechanic)
It is slightly unfair, but mostly because Xbox GamePass usage is much higher for AoE4 than AoE2. As a rough estimate, you should multiply AoE2 steam numbers by ~1.1 and AoE4 numbers by ~1.4Isn't it slightly unfair to only compare steam numbers? If you look at the side which aoeZone is interested in, the competitive ladder, the playerbases are roughly equal according to aoe2.net and aoeiv.net if you look at the 1v1 ladder.
I don't play aoe4 myself, nor do I really enjoy to watch it, but if you want to compare the competitive playerbase the 1v1 ladders seem like the best comparison to me.
Edit: scrolling to the bottom of the aoeiv.net ladder it does seem that people are still visible even after 2 months of inactivity so it's not a fair representation as well. Maybe season 2 for aoe4 gives a better reflection of the active player base.
there were few people that thought that age4 was better than age2, that now are not here anymore. they defend till the end that crap game, and now are under the bed crying like babys with hunger.Funny thing is that for me (and probably most people) it was crystal clear from day 1 that this game is crap. Still some pretend it’s not and it’s beyond my imagination how anyone can think that.
I mean, I obviously understand that once you are paid by Microsoft you need to speak in their interest publicly
(I myself would never publicly say that the company that is paying my bills makes shitty products. I would actually lose my job if I did that)
You're off by about 10xIf there's something that AOE2 has, it's a dedicated playerbase. There are maybe 15-20k core players players across HD, Voobly and DE combined who will probably never play anything else besides AOE2, at least in the RTS genre. AOE4 could've been the game to finally change that, and also bring in players from other games.
Instead, Microsoft made a complete blunder of the release of AOE4 and now we're essentially back where we were a year ago.
I'm hoping Stormgate or Company of Heroes 3 will have a great release, so that Microsoft can learn the lesson that you can't half-ass a game in a genre that is already niche like RTS.
Am I though? (Not accounting for people with pirated copies)You're off by about 10x
I'd say that's pretty far off, if you consider people who play daily / a few times a week to be core players. A single point in time at around 21 gmt does not really get everybody who's playing regularly. You can multiply that by 2-5 perhaps just by considering that this is the peak time for only one region of the world -- EU. What about everybody living elsewhere?Am I though? (Not accounting for people with pirated copies)
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You're right that I didn't choose a "peak time" where most people are playing. But even so.I'd say that's pretty far off, if you consider people who play daily / a few times a week to be core players. A single point in time at around 21 gmt does not really get everybody who's playing regularly. You can multiply that by 2-5 perhaps just by considering that this is the peak time for only one region of the world -- EU. What about everybody living elsewhere?
Take this number of Active ranked ladder players, for instance, which is about 40k on de. That's double the numbers you're finding here already. Add the hd and voobly numbers and you get a minimum 2x your sum of 23k -- so 46k. More likely number may be 2.5x that 23k -- a total of 57000.
10x does seem a bit exaggerated if you're only concerned About ranked players, but, as we all know, those playing campaigns and versus ai drastically out number those playing multiplayer.... If you're looking at total core players overall, 10x seems very reasonable (230000).
I haven't looked up the numbers myself though so admittedly I'm kinda going off "known" stats others have posted in the past.
A bit offtopic but10x does seem a bit exaggerated if you're only concerned About ranked players, but, as we all know, those playing campaigns and versus ai drastically out number those playing multiplayer.... If you're looking at total core players overall, 10x seems very reasonable (230000).
You are talking about average concurrent players, not total player base. For average concurrent players then the steam tracker is fine, just multiply it by about 1.1 to include GamePass players.You're right that I didn't choose a "peak time" where most people are playing. But even so.
For me it's better to see how many people launched the game on steam/gamepass on average during each month. Because even if on steam you launched the game just to play campaigns or versus the AI, you are part of that number. The only players that this number isn't contemplating are the players who have bought AOE2 HD or AOE2 DE legally but on any given day are playing the game in Offline Mode.
AOE2 does not have 200k people playing the game on average in any day of the year.
That's my take on it, anyway. It's still a very healthy playerbase overall. Something that seems utopic for AOE4 gamers at this point.
But where do you get that data?You are talking about average concurrent players, not total player base. For average concurrent players then the steam tracker is fine, just multiply it by about 1.1 to include GamePass players.
But the TOTAL playerbase is everyone who plays the game at some point in a given period of time, which is about 180-220k people for AoE2
But where do you get that data?
This number only included online play, right? Without AI skirmishes or campaigns?AoE2 used to track the number of players playing unrated lobbies too.
For some reason those numbers are not public anymore, but the last available number was 170k I think.
So that's 170k players playing at least 1 unrated game in a span of 28 days.
and you keep making everything aoe4 fault and find any reason to downplay aoe4. whenever aoe2 has 200k unique players per months or not has nothing to do with aoe4So when AOE4 numbers are not catching up, new method is claiming that AOE2 don't have 200K players per month. If you can't climb enough, you start to pull cuffs of people above.
I think that the thing that is missing here is the aoe4 community doesn't want to be as big as the Aoe2 community.and you keep making everything aoe4 fault and find any reason to downplay aoe4. whenever aoe2 has 200k unique players per months or not has nothing to do with aoe4
But isn't that the main downside of aoe4? I mean besides 100 other things, from which I guess many are fixed now, but aoe4 doesn't seem fun to watch for majority. Many people say is fun to play, but it's hard to enjoy watching it.Aoe2 consistently has more viewers then aoe4, and there's not a single aoe4 player who will question that.. but it's possible to be less popular, and still fun to watch and play.
I can only speak for myself,But isn't that the main downside of aoe4? I mean besides 100 other things, from which I guess many are fixed now, but aoe4 doesn't seem fun to watch for majority. Many people say is fun to play, but it's hard to enjoy watching it.
Well I didn't say people can't enjoy watching aoe4. Just many players including Viper said themself, it can be really fun to play, but it's hard to watch. What I meant is not me or you enjoying it, but on average people enjoy playing it more, while aoe2 I often would say even the opposite, many people watch it and do not play or at least do not play actively.I can only speak for myself,
In puppypaw vs vortix game 3 yesterday I was over the moon at how good puppy was playing, In game 7 I was in tears laughing over how well puppypaw was able to defend a relic
In Themista vs wam game 3 I was worried my favourite player would be knocked out, in game 4 I felt relief
In the showmatch, I felt a lot of comedy and "hah serves you right moments"
But, there were also games I didn't find entertaining.
For me, watching Aoe2 - everything seems to be "figured out", whilst some players in aoe4 are actively building new meta each week.
That's simply an advantage of being a new game I guess.
The point I'm trying to make, is that I felt a range of emotions and really enjoy watching aoe4. But some people won't, just like I don't in watching Aoe2.. but that doesn't mean that others don't go through a range of emotions watching Aoe2.
Aoe4 might be boring for some, even the majority of people who prefer the Aoe2 style, but I don't think they have a right to say that others cant find it incredibly entertaining and the highlight of their week.
For me, I won't be doing anything on weekends untill October because I look forward to egctv every weekend. For me, it's entertaining. And even if Aoe2 gets 100k viewers and aoe4 gets 1.4k.. it will still be entertaining!