Current Situation on Aoe4 and Aoe2

[lecracheursagacite]

It would be cyber bullying if it was about anything other than his actions in his role as tournament coordinator (fund allocation). Noone has criticized anything about personal traits of Nili or his other affairs.

You can keep digging this angle but there is no oil here.

Can you clearly articulate what the issue with fund allocation is? Is it that he is giving funds to AoE4 rather than AoE2 or that he is giving funds to a tournament hosted by himself? Or both? This will help us suss out what amount of criticism is fair.

 

[Lokalo]

Can you clearly articulate what the issue with fund allocation is? Is it that he is giving funds to AoE4 rather than AoE2 or that he is giving funds to a tournament hosted by himself? Or both?

Nili is bad bad bad bad bad bad!!!!! Stop looking for oil!!! Being more serious.... This Nili situation didn't change, but is boring already. Especially that he kinda back to aoe2. Also is hard to discuss when we have no idea if any hosts tried to do any aoe2 tournament and stuff, like can't blame Nili not giving money if no one was organising anything, well at least bigger organisers. People still blaming Nili for not having HC5, is just nonsense. Better blame aoe4 makes more sense

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Nili is bad bad bad bad bad bad!!!!! Stop looking for oil!!! Being more serious.... This Nili situation didn't change, but is boring already. Especially that he kinda back to aoe2. Also is hard to discuss when we have no idea if any hosts tried to do any aoe2 tournament and stuff, like can't blame Nili not giving money if no one was organising anything, well at least bigger organisers. People still blaming Nili for not having HC5, is just nonsense. Better blame aoe4 makes more sense

Yeah AoE4 is why we didn't have HC5 and Nili can't get blamed for that even if he did latch onto it immediately.

 

[Rayne]

It would be cyber bullying if it was about anything other than his actions in his role as tournament coordinator (fund allocation). Noone has criticized anything about personal traits of Nili or his other affairs.

You can keep digging this angle but there is no oil here.

I’ll humor this only once because I feel it becomes childish behavior and I am honestly too old for forum shenanigans. I only responded to you to be fair and give you a chance to talk, since my initial post was directed at you. Maybe you don’t actually know what you are doing either. Let’s take a look at how cyberbullying is defined from two places. One, a very good online dictionary I go to and two, wikipedia which is used often.

Definition of CYBERBULLYING

the electronic posting of mean-spirited messages about a person (such as a student) often done anonymously… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

the electronic posting of mean-spirited messages about a person (such as a student) often done anonymously

Now from Wikipedia. It is lengthy but bear with me.

Cyberbullying - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Cyberbullying or cyberharassment is a form of bullying or harassment using electronicmeans. Cyberbullying and cyberharassment are also known as online bullying. It has become increasingly common, especially among teenagers, as the digital sphere has expanded and technology has advanced.[1]Cyberbullying is when someone, typically a teenager, bullies or harasses others on the internet and other digital spaces, particularly on social media sites. Harmful bullying behavior can include posting rumors, threats, sexual remarks, a victims' personal information, or pejorative labels (i.e. hate speech).[2]Bullying or harassment can be identified by repeated behavior and an intent to harm.[3]

Near the bottom when it talks about harmful behavior. Pejorative means being negative basically, but hate speech is better. Note repeated behavior being mentioned as well. And if you want to know how harassment is defined two ways from Merriam-Webster:

(1): to annoy persistently
(2): to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct

Doesn’t the shoe fit?

 

[kw1k000000]

I’ll humor this only once because I feel it becomes childish behavior and I am honestly too old for forum shenanigans. I only responded to you to be fair and give you a chance to talk, since my initial post was directed at you. Maybe you don’t actually know what you are doing either. Let’s take a look at how cyberbullying is defined from two places. One, a very good online dictionary I go to and two, wikipedia which is used often.

Definition of CYBERBULLYING

the electronic posting of mean-spirited messages about a person (such as a student) often done anonymously… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Now from Wikipedia. It is lengthy but bear with me.

Cyberbullying - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Near the bottom when it talks about harmful behavior. Pejorative means being negative basically, but hate speech is better. Note repeated behavior being mentioned as well. And if you want to know how harassment is defined two ways from Merriam-Webster:



Doesn’t the shoe fit?

I will ask you again, has @Nili_AoE been criticized for any of his personal traits, other affairs unrelated to aoe2 tournament coordinator role? My understanding is no and hence I don't think its cyber bullying.

If we go by your logic then every person who holds a public/community role (PM, President, CEOs, MPs, Mayor, .... the list would be too long) is getting cyber bullied. May be in your world public figures can not be criticized for their actions corresponding to the role they bear, in rest of world (gladly) this is not the case. Clearly our interpretation of criticism of the job vs cyber bullying is different.

 

[Lokalo]

Yeap, blaming Nili that Viper plays aoe4 is also super legit criticism. T90 going from twitch to FB and not making HC5 (aoe4 appearance probably affected it too) also Nili's fault. Aoe4 probably was also created by Nili, that little devil Nili... Killing aoe2 alone. Let's say any BS and call it criticism, works perfect in nowadays society.

 

[Nicov]

Nili is a public figure. You should be able to criticize him. What Nili did is still wrong. Even after 4 months of it going on.

Ironically you should be suspended for a week for calling for censorship. What made the Internet great was free speech.

Free speech =/= freedom to publicly bully someone and spread false information on a daily basis. Or to troll around.

In any rational forum people would take a temporary ban for this. But aoezone has become some obnoxious ban-free, post-any-****-you-like place. Literally everyday I check the feed I see this aoe2 vs aoe4 spam posts or nili-bashing everywhere. For months. I find absolutely no valuable information whatsoever from this site any longer. Barely any interesting discussion.

Then I laugh at people making fun of reddit or the official aoe forums. This website has become worse than the other two combined.

 

[TopperHarley]

Then I laugh at people making fun of reddit or the official aoe forums. This website has become worse than the other two combined.

I see it the complete opposite way: freedom of speech is still in place on AoeZone and I think we should be grateful for this.

On other websites you might get stuff deleted for vague reasons.
As Ricky Gervais said: just because you feel offended by something, it doesn’t mean you are right.

 

[Nicov]

I see it the complete opposite way: freedom of speech is still in place on AoeZone and I think we should be grateful for this.

On other websites you might get stuff deleted for vague reasons.
As Ricky Gervais said: just because you feel offended by something, it doesn’t mean you are right.

Your rights end where the other's begin. If you are spreading false information about someone or bullying him everyday, then you deserve a ban. People just abuse the fact that its internet and your username is just a bunch of anonymous bits to be massive jerks. In this case they always get away with it because there seems to be some sort of no-ban policy.

I never said that the other 2 forums are great. They have tons of flaws. But you don't find the amount of toxicity that you have in this website.

 

[HelloWorld]

Free speech =/= freedom to publicly bully someone and spread false information on a daily basis. Or to troll around.

In any rational forum people would take a temporary ban for this. But aoezone has become some obnoxious ban-free, post-any-****-you-like place. Literally everyday I check the feed I see this aoe2 vs aoe4 spam posts or nili-bashing everywhere. For months. I find absolutely no valuable information whatsoever from this site any longer. Barely any interesting discussion.

Then I laugh at people making fun of reddit or the official aoe forums. This website has become worse than the other two combined.

These days, reddit is a far better place than aoezone due to some people who always whine here like kw, SouFire, SkinnyBls. AoEZone needs more moderation, I feel like we are giving people way too much freedom to the point where it is just cyberbullying. I feel bad for nili.

 

[IYIyTh]

There seems to be an effort to conflate valid criticism of facts surrounding Nili's self-admitted controversial role and position with flaming.

There may very well be one-or two off-color remarks occasionally (as we all have agreed AOEZone could use a moderator to curtail some of the incessant spam/imagespam/flames from a select few,), but I am more concerned that some would utilize these one-two off-color remarks in an attempt to eliminate any and all discussion surrounding popular figures in the community. There is nothing controversial about viewing Nili's position as tournament coordinator as a conflict of interest, portraying its impacts on aoe2 negatively, and/or the disbursement of funds being something that should or could not be discussed.

Regardless of other threads/buried posts, over the past couple pages Kwik has made it clear that they detest the conflict of interest that Nili's position presents and nothing over the past few months have absolved their disdain over the ongoing situation. Yet some here are inaccurately comparing such criticism to flaming/bullying, when no such evidence in the past page or so exists. The discussion is thus being derailed from a relatively salient point that the target themselves admit (not that they need to for it to matter,) is a potential issue into how long one has to hear such things before it is considered "cyber-bullying." One does not get to compare someone sending personal insults and or racial epithets that many AOE2 pro players have been caught using to merely voicing objection to the role Nili plays and conflict of interest his position presents as AOE tournament coordinator.

One could very reasonably argue Kwik overreacts and claims that Nili has "killed the pro scene," but that seems unlikely and/or at least debatable, not a fact.

However, comparing the the above to cyber-bullying is simply inappropriate. Doing so is a disservice to actual victims of cyber-bullying.

Rather, I am inclined to believe the more poignant problem seems to be some would prefer to be able to hit the mute button and decide when folks should no longer be able to discuss certain issues on a given topic, because they feel the proverbial horse has been beaten or are tired of it.

This comes off as weaponized popularity to protect friends and/or an inner circle treated as valued more than the intent to discuss an obvious thorn in the aoe2 communities side that should be expected to be discussed so long as such conflict of interest persists.

I see claims of bullying/spreading false information -- but no evidence to support it than rather broad hand gestures. Rather than support one's argument I have seen a few paint the entire argument and by some users -forum- in broad strokes and call for broad generalization of "cleaning up," the entire forum which rather reads pretty opaquely as censorship to ideas and/or opinions that don't align with a select few. This is an obvious issue but one that should not be resolved by acquiescing to popular figures desires to eliminate discussion on any potential controversy. Besides, discussion is the point of a forum which necessitates an ability to both articulate an idea and respect those of others. This last point is a problem for some -- one does not need to agree with an opinion to allow it to exist. One should also expect some hyperbole attached to idea(s), this does not mean flaming et al, but I think not it controversial to say that there is potential for Nili's role as tournament coordinator to have negatively impacted the AOE2 pro scene.

I think therein lies the issue -- some aren't able to more eloquently articulate their ideas.

Nicov, can you present any information regarding "false information," you claim to being spread? You keep repeating it, but I have found nothing backing up your posts. What has Kwik said over the past two pages that you believe to be "spreading false information?" I currently show said user as voicing displeasure over Nili's continued role as tournament coordinator and in his role, action/inaction that may impact the pro scene. What specific issue is there with such posts that you believe need moderation?

I am not sure what specifically was said over the past page or so that prompted your point of view that the past page is an example of everything that is wrong with AOEZone, but I am very interested in hearing and/or seeing it.

 

[[KoBHV]venivero]

What I like about AoEZone is that critical comments can be posted, and most of the users argue about them in a reasonable manner. I like (for example) that you can show the numbers between aoe4 and aoe2 and that you can speculated on them(which is not possible on the other forums). Yeah there is sometimes some controversial stuff, but I would be fine with it.

What annoys me most at the moment is that no matter which topic a post has, a few members always turn it into one of the following ->DE devs suck / playerX sucks for leaving / aoe4 is killing aoe2 or vice versa. We get your opinion, but if you repeat it over and over and over again there is just an anyoing whining left for me.

Dont get me wrong, i am fine with these discussion as long as they stay civil and do not cannibalise every other discussion. I am fine with opening a topic, telling your theory, say why you think someone did something that will lead to the downfall of the game and so on, as long as the tone towards persons is kept critical but civil.

But please do not repeat the same stuff over and over again, under every topic.

 

[IYIyTh]

What I like about AoEZone is that critical comments can be posted, and most of the users argue about them in a reasonable manner. I like (for example) that you can show the numbers between aoe4 and aoe2 and that you can speculated on them(which is not possible on the other forums). Yeah there is sometimes some controversial stuff, but I would be fine with it.

What annoys me most at the moment is that no matter which topic a post has, a few members always turn it into one of the following ->DE devs suck / playerX sucks for leaving / aoe4 is killing aoe2 or vice versa. We get your opinion, but if you repeat it over and over and over again there is just an anyoing whining left for me.

Dont get me wrong, i am fine with these discussion as long as they stay civil and do not cannibalise every other discussion. I am fine with opening a topic, telling your theory, say why you think someone did something that will lead to the downfall of the game and so on, as long as the tone towards persons is kept critical but civil.

But please do not repeat the same stuff over and over again, under every topic.

There is of course the issue that the community is large and do in fact take breaks in posting on the forum (that life thing people keep talking about,) so it should be expected that some issues are repeated and/or re-hashed for the individual might not have necessarily seen everything that has already been posted. This thread is 70+ pages, for example.

I would counter though that someone who has a certain opinion should be entitled to continually track metrics to back up their point -- for instance, tournament prize size for AOE 4 vs. AOE 2 since Nili obtained the position would be interesting. (I have a feeling that we're about to pick up again after BOA, which will ultimately silence the conversation regardless of if the issue is ever actually addressed in a meaningful way.)

Now, when folks follow users on the board and flame-bait on unrelated topics -- perfectly agreeable there should be moderation there to step in. I have found that moderation can be at times less receptive to these requests even when the issue is demonstrated.

 

[MaSmOrRa]

for instance, tournament prize size for AOE 4 vs. AOE 2 since Nili obtained the position would be interesting. (I have a feeling that we're about to pick up again after BOA

If you look at 2022, even including BoA3, it's still roughly 185k for AoE4 vs 80k for AoE2.

That's if you assume Golden League "only" received 50k, which might as well have been a lot more, the numbers haven't been made public.

Talking about Microsoft sponsored tournaments only.

 

[IYIyTh]

If you look at 2022, even including BoA3, it's still roughly 185k for AoE4 vs 80k for AoE2.

Thanks bud!

Yep, I guess what I'm saying is that is what I'd prefer conversations were centered on more carefully curated points rather than emotional hyperbole. There are ways to articulate an argument that makes sense and has data (like above,) and there are ways that are just boorish and meh. We all fall into the latter at times, but the forum is a much more interesting read with the former. Despite what I have seen regarding who has control over the purse, one has to take into the account that a new game was released which is obviously being promoted for new sales. The issue is more complex than it seems, for certain, but I have no issue with folks being rabidly engaged in discussing it.

After all, this isn't reddit where your posts are downvoted into oblivion if they don't agree with a pro players and/or have a character limit.

 

[vince]

Dont get me wrong, i am fine with these discussion as long as they stay civil and do not cannibalise every other discussion. I am fine with opening a topic, telling your theory, say why you think someone did something that will lead to the downfall of the game and so on, as long as the tone towards persons is kept critical but civil.

But please do not repeat the same stuff over and over again, under every topic.

unfortunately the ones who claim to want to have these open, critical and "civil" discussions also often repeat the same stuff over and over again under nearly every topic. but they justify it as being "civil" conversation since they aren't name-calling or cursing. but truth is they don't have the self awareness to realize that spamming a bunch of passive aggressive posts that obsess over a specific couple of streamers is equally stupid.

 

[LeoMontero]

Your rights end where the other's begin. If you are spreading false information about someone or bullying him everyday, then you deserve a ban. People just abuse the fact that its internet and your username is just a bunch of anonymous bits to be massive jerks. In this case they always get away with it because there seems to be some sort of no-ban policy.

I never said that the other 2 forums are great. They have tons of flaws. But you don't find the amount of toxicity that you have in this website.

nicov, as the kkw said, the criticism on nili are because his position and the things he did there, not because how he looks, or his sex preferences, or his politiacl preferences, or beacuase he is vegan, or another things. it centers in the position he has, the things he did around the game, and the awfull statements he said.
sometimes people say things that are not correct, but always around his position and his decisions towards the game. people made mistakes.
i think that is not cyberbulling, or whatever.

 

[LeoMontero]

Can you clearly articulate what the issue with fund allocation is? Is it that he is giving funds to AoE4 rather than AoE2 or that he is giving funds to a tournament hosted by himself? Or both? This will help us suss out what amount of criticism is fair.

there is a ton of proves:
- first he dismised kotd, that was the first signal. he told in the interview with masmorra that he didnt want to stream the low players, because he was not in the mood. i cant literaly replay, but look the interview and you will notice. he even disrespect players with name.
- second he told that he has demand for a lot of aoe4 tournaments but not for aoe2. and thats total bs. because some people ask for money and he rejected them, and now you see tons of aoe2 tournaments and 1 aoe4 tournament.
- third he said openly that aoe4 was the future, and bla bla bla, and that he was the person that allocate the money from tournaments to all aoe franchise and that he prefered the age4.
- fourth, he gave a lot of money to 2 age4 tournaments. im not criticising that he allocated 100k to his tournament. no. he was on his right because he is a tournament host. only saying that he should give the same amount of money to age2 in the same period of time. f.e. now is BoA and only has 30k.

the good thing is that nili is an inteligent person, and he likes numbers. he did a gamble, like lidakor, and it doesnt pay off. he knows because he noticed at the end of his tournament that age4 has little or no future, unless big money from MS is thrown on tournaments.

everything that i said, is on internet.

 

[NextLever]

Can you clearly articulate what the issue with fund allocation is? Is it that he is giving funds to AoE4 rather than AoE2 or that he is giving funds to a tournament hosted by himself? Or both? This will help us suss out what amount of criticism is fair.

I feel it's a bit of both. He did allocate a huge amount of money to his own tournament which doesn't seem right. But also giving funds to aoe4 exactly at the time he is/was trying to be a big aoe4 streamer himself. Other, respectable members of the community have spoken about conflict of interests there and I don't see how the fact that 4 months have passed changes anything. It will still be true 4 months from now.

I don't think what's going on is "bullying" but I agree Nili shouldn't be held solely responsible for what has happened to aoe2 pro scene. Other pros shoud take their share of "blame" as well. I see people saying Nili disrespected aoe2 when he was talking about not seeing himself casting a BacT vs Vivi game anymore but Viper was right there beside him saying the same thing. They all thought aoe4 was going to be this next big thing and were happy to ditch aoe2, it's just that Nili had more power to do something.

 

[JUDAS]

I feel it's a bit of both. He did allocate a huge amount of money to his own tournament which doesn't seem right. But also giving funds to aoe4 exactly at the time he is/was trying to be a big aoe4 streamer himself. Other, respectable members of the community have spoken about conflict of interests there and I don't see how the fact that 4 months have passed changes anything. It will still be true 4 months from now.

I don't think what's going on is "bullying" but I agree Nili shouldn't be held solely responsible for what has happened to aoe2 pro scene. Other pros shoud take their share of "blame" as well. I see people saying Nili disrespected aoe2 when he was talking about not seeing himself casting a BacT vs Vivi game anymore but Viper was right there beside him saying the same thing. They all thought aoe4 was going to be this next big thing and were happy to ditch aoe2, it's just that Nili had more power to do something.

Only one thing, when you think about acccountability, it is not the same when it is something that the tournament host says even acting as a streamer, compared to a player saying the same, even if the player is The Viper. Btw I agree that the Nili bashing is just overdone, yes , the issues are still present, yes, he could be bashing for the same facts over and over, but that is not going to change the AoE2 scene, if you want to have a good moment against Nili, just replay 100x times his statement after the N4C viewers debacle and be happy. At the present it will be more important to ask him to release some offficial information about which would be the tournament funds allocation (Budget) for the rest of the year in AoE2.

 

[LeoMontero]

I feel it's a bit of both. He did allocate a huge amount of money to his own tournament which doesn't seem right. But also giving funds to aoe4 exactly at the time he is/was trying to be a big aoe4 streamer himself. Other, respectable members of the community have spoken about conflict of interests there and I don't see how the fact that 4 months have passed changes anything. It will still be true 4 months from now.

I don't think what's going on is "bullying" but I agree Nili shouldn't be held solely responsible for what has happened to aoe2 pro scene. Other pros shoud take their share of "blame" as well. I see people saying Nili disrespected aoe2 when he was talking about not seeing himself casting a BacT vs Vivi game anymore but Viper was right there beside him saying the same thing. They all thought aoe4 was going to be this next big thing and were happy to ditch aoe2, it's just that Nili had more power to do something.

i dont remember exactly the interview, but dont think viper said anything. he was there, and he was quite when nili disrespect the players, the tournament, and the game.

 

[Tranquil Dinosaur]

i dont remember exactly the interview, but dont think viper said anything. he was there, and he was quite when nili disrespect the players, the tournament, and the game.

He didn't really support Nili's statement but didn't oppose to it as well. Not that he has to but it was clear that they were both preferring AOE4 at that very moment. Viper even recognized the fact that his audience would rather watch AOE2 but sill claimed to immediately go back to AOE4 if he was out of KotD.

Yes, he was not saying the same thing as NextLever has written but the general attitude was kind of the same. Or at least it left the same taste with me.

It's been 6 months from the video now and it seems both players have moved at least somewhat back to AOE2. The damage however has been done.

 

[LeoMontero]

He didn't really support Nili's statement but didn't oppose to it as well. Not that he has to but it was clear that they were both preferring AOE4 at that very moment. Viper even recognized the fact that his audience would rather watch AOE2 but sill claimed to immediately go back to AOE4 if he was out of KotD.

Yes, he was not saying the same thing as NextLever has written but the general attitude was kind of the same. Or at least it left the same taste with me.

It's been 6 months from the video now and it seems both players have moved at least somewhat back to AOE2. The damage however has been done.

well, it seemed to me that viper was not confortable with. but i can be wrong. yes he didnt opose or suport, but his body to me said that he didnt agree. again, i can be wrong and not trying to defend viper, im not a fan of him.

 

[lecracheursagacite]

Nili facts so we can stop arguing about it:

1. If Nili was not employed by Microsoft and received the exact same funding for the exact same N4C (AoE4 tournament and all) that he actually did then no one would think it was an issue at all. This means that suggesting he used his position to improperly enrich himself is at least mostly unfair.

2. According to Masmorra, Nili was hired at Microsoft by Will McCahill, who is the "Business Lead" for Worlds Edge, which is a "studio" Microsoft created internally to manage the Age of Empires franchise. As Business Lead, Will McCahill is responsible for overseeing the "business and insights" of World's Edge, which in English means the strategy underlying what they do with their games from the perspective of generating revenue. That means Will McCahill probably has some idea of how he would like the esport promotion funds available to him split between AoE2 and AoE4 (and the others). If this is the case then he did not hire Nili to decide how much funding AoE2 and AoE4 got but rather to determine which tournaments within these individual spaces should be supported and how heavily. Unless Nili is going rogue and somehow not getting corrected then blaming him for the reduction in funds available to AoE2 tournaments is also unfair.

 

[Rayne]

I will ask you again, has @Nili_AoE been criticized for any of his personal traits, other affairs unrelated to aoe2 tournament coordinator role? My understanding is no and hence I don't think its cyber bullying.

If we go by your logic then every person who holds a public/community role (PM, President, CEOs, MPs, Mayor, .... the list would be too long) is getting cyber bullied. May be in your world public figures can not be criticized for their actions corresponding to the role they bear, in rest of world (gladly) this is not the case. Clearly our interpretation of criticism of the job vs cyber bullying is different.

I suppose I’ll start by answering your question. No. As far as I am aware, you are not guilty of criticizing things like Nili’s sexual orientation (whatever it is), looks, religion, so on.

But. And the big but which often isn’t a favorite word. But it looks like you are choosing to stop there rather than looking at the complete definition of cyberbullying. I am not trying to insult you, but words can have really deep and multiple meanings. From quoting the dictionary and wiki, are you not guilty of ‘mean-spirited messages’, which could also be called hate speech? Another part of how cyberbullying is defined. Which is to say, using words (speech) to express hatred (hate...) to a person or maybe even a thing for whatever reason and those reasons could be many? Semantics can often be debated but if you can define hate speech another way, I’ll listen.

Like the two posts of yours that caught my eye within past two days:

Battle of Africa 3 - Official Announcement

Announcement | Handbook | Maps | Discussion | Questions & Answers | Registrations | Discord Official Announcement The biggest and most prestigious team game tournament of Age of Empires II is finally making its return. It is long overdue, but we cannot be more excited to share with you that...

www.aoezone.net

And

Current Situation on Aoe4 and Aoe2

It's not an s tier tournament, and I think it's totalling 6-7k viewers atm, which isn't bad. However, rage forest is not a "great" TG tournament in the sense that it's like the 'grand slams', such as HC, RBW, NAC are for 1v1. Boa is different in this regard I think since it's an actual s tier...

www.aoezone.net

Guilty or not guilty of hating on Nili?

In the first one for example which is a tournament announcement topic, Memb called it hate, and seems like a lot sided with his message (I was one of them btw). The second one well, do I need to really talk about it? Is it not to say, “Thanks Nili for allocating 100k to aoe4 and not aoe2 which killed aoe2.” Given the positivity of this topic, of course. It feels like something deep is there.

Criticism of what Nili did was fine imo (even strong posts can be fine) but only as long as the topic was relevant imo. Not for four months and to add, you agreed with me on the time length. Wouldn’t you agree four months is an unusually long time to criticize someone or even randomly throw negative things pertaining to it about? Because otherwise it feels petty, personal, and frankly it becomes bullying. The Will Smith incident lasted 10-14 days, and that’s Hollywood which is far bigger than the aoezone scene will ever be. That’s with all due respect to the aoe scene btw.

Also, you tagged Nili twice, so you clearly wanted his attention. Do you want to clarify why? I don’t get a positive impression. And I don’t think I have ever seen you really post anything other than something about Nili for months.

On that note as well, one thing that bothers me is that I tried to go to your profile to look at recent posts (to find these two messages but I had to do it the hard way) but it said the user has restricted who can completely view their profile. Care to share why that is? It feels like you’re hiding something honestly and that doesn’t bode well. What would I find if you disabled it and I made time to look at your posting history for the past 4 months? How many Nili posts am I going to find if I took an actual count? This isn’t me trying to zing you btw, just me being very direct about things.

Like I for instance disabled the option for others to see when I am online/what I look at because it feels like I am trying to read a newspaper and anyone can peek over my shoulder. That feels like some small violation of privacy tbh. But anyone can view any message I have ever posted or liked. So, what’s your reason for disabling all those options?

Also I was going to post my message, but there’s actually a third post I had in another tab before I was going to close it (because I couldn’t search your profile, I came across it).

Current Situation on Aoe4 and Aoe2

It's not an s tier tournament, and I think it's totalling 6-7k viewers atm, which isn't bad. However, rage forest is not a "great" TG tournament in the sense that it's like the 'grand slams', such as HC, RBW, NAC are for 1v1. Boa is different in this regard I think since it's an actual s tier...

www.aoezone.net

Come on honestly. Tagged Nili again (3rd time), and that with the second paragraph feels like you are bullying him. Or am I gravely misunderstanding things?