Current Situation on Aoe4 and Aoe2

[SuperskinnyBLS]

"Aoe4 is the future" KEK

 

[Hunyadi_]

Is AoE4's dynasty over?

 

[lecracheursagacite]

It really is disappointing that there are not cumulative playerbase numbers for both games. Are the statistics not available for Microsoft platform like they are for Steam?

 

[c3mbre]

When posting these comparisons it's always good to mention that these are:
- only the numbers on Steam
- people in Singleplayer and Multiplayer (we assume, that only around 20-30% of people are playing Multiplayer)
- that these are (average?) concurrent players during a certain moment in time on that platform

It's only from steam
it count Multiplayer and singleplayer except if ppl play offline
Concurrent players every hour

Last month AoE2(blue) AoE4(green)

 

[z3us]

It's only from steam
it count Multiplayer and singleplayer except if ppl play offline
Concurrent players every hour

Last month AoE2(blue) AoE4(green)

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Didnt someone post aoe2 v aoe4 viewers and streamers comparison? That showed a really good picture of how fast aoe4 was declining.

 

[c3mbre]

Didnt someone post aoe2 v aoe4 viewers and streamers comparison? That showed a really good picture of how fast aoe4 was declining.

for u

 

[z3us]

for u

Thanks, this is the one I was referring to.

 

[Bowserlord]

even during kotd aoe2 got rekt, big aoe4 tournements would have a sick amout of viewers

 

[Giuseppe551]

even during kotd aoe2 got rekt, big aoe4 tournements would have a sick amout of viewers

What are you even referring to? There has not been a big aoe4 tournament since KOTD started. There was a showmatch that had like 1,500 average viewers but that's it. And big names like Day9 now get less viewers with aoe4 than with aoe2, so I have really no idea what you're talking about.

AoE4 is not an enjoyable game to watch. Time will bear that out.

 

[Tempires]

In playerbase comparison it's also good idea keep in mind aoe2:DE costs 20€(or less with HD and sales) while aoe4 is 60€. 3x price does do wonders, for example I don't know a single game I have paid 60€, I did however buy aoe4 for 53€ at GMG but without DotD dlcs I wouldn't have bought it at release(in addition to that I haven't had time to play games). Also aoe4 regional prices suck compared to aoe2:DE in many less wealthier countries with RTS playerbase (like india,brazil,turkey,argentina).

 

[JUDAS]

Well that amount of viewers for AoE4 in its peak was because a big streamer was playing some games for fun, and he had like 60k viewers, so for a real audience of the game and not the streamer it would be something like 65 k the peak. gl having those numbers again in the next year. I have given a fair chance at the game but watching it is boring for me, even though I have played it and it is not that bad.

 

[Lokalo]

Well that amount of viewers for AoE4 in its peak was because a big streamer was playing some games for fun, and he had like 60k viewers, so for a real audience of the game and not the streamer it would be something like 65 k the peak. gl having those numbers again in the next year. I have given a fair chance at the game but watching it is boring for me, even though I have played it and it is not that bad.

Yeah, I agree. I honestly not even sure what is wrong with it, but yesterday gave another try, watched 2 games hera played against GiveUAnxiety and people in chat were like "wow, what a game" and stuff and I was watching and it felt like nothing is happening, both games were like 50min+. in both games there were points like sitting with armies 20min doing basically nothing.

And I don't want to sound like that game is garbage and stuff, Idk, I still feel like it's way more fun to play it than watching. Also still can't predict anything how fight will go, those siege repairements change things by tons, can't see where mangonel is shooting except which direction they are rotated towards. Also maybe that in aoe2 game pace is just faster. Like there are games which go to 50min, but in aoe2 50min games actually are 30min of real time and there is significantly less standing with army at one spot doing nothing.

 

[Lord Bolton]

Yeah, I agree. I honestly not even sure what is wrong with it, but yesterday gave another try, watched 2 games hera played against GiveUAnxiety and people in chat were like "wow, what a game" and stuff and I was watching and it felt like nothing is happening, both games were like 50min+. in both games there were points like sitting with armies 20min doing basically nothing.

And I don't want to sound like that game is garbage and stuff, Idk, I still feel like it's way more fun to play it than watching. Also still can't predict anything how fight will go, those siege repairements change things by tons, can't see where mangonel is shooting except which direction they are rotated towards. Also maybe that in aoe2 game pace is just faster. Like there are games which go to 50min, but in aoe2 50min games actually are 30min of real time and there is significantly less standing with army at one spot doing nothing.

well it seems to me from what you've seen, a lot people do enjoy watching the game after all. Surprising!

"in both games there were points like sitting with armies 20min doing basically nothing." -
somehow i feel this is a misrepresentation as hera and his opponent who is a top aoe3 player aren't players who sit idle and do nothing with their military. their apm during the game was insane and controlling armies of multiple units at same time.

I happen to watch both games you have mentioned and the amount of intricacies involved in both games is very entertaining, atleast for me. There were many choices and tactics both players went with which made the game amazing. Some of them which i could recollect are:
- GUA as french chose to make horsemen + archers instead of standard knights play as french specifically to counter hera's full feudal approach of longbow + spears
- hera was in feudal age till 26min which is an equivalent of 44min in aoe2 game-time to keep pressure on his opponent while opponent reached castle age under 12min. that is amazing as he held for 14min against army of higher quality.
- very interesting strategy around sacred sites and relic control.
I personally really enjoyed the games and so did most of the viewers imo (as evidently you have pointed out) because the way they played and also because i have played the game and understand a little bit of gameplay myself.

To quote a similar anology, Its like watching daut full wall his base as mayans going drush fc plumes vs a raging liereyy playing feudal aggression with archers. Daut would be macroing his way to imp while using plumes to raid without engaging much at all. To a viewer who doesnt understand much about mayans/plumes/archer vs plume debate/investment of castle vs boom/etc, his gameplay would look very dry and nothing happening , just a few weird archers moving around map and going back when they are threatened by army while those who do know whats going on are very hooked to it. That was the story of RBW 3 finals decider game.

 

[JUDAS]

well it seems to me from what you've seen, a lot people do enjoy watching the game after all. Surprising!

"in both games there were points like sitting with armies 20min doing basically nothing." -
somehow i feel this is a misrepresentation as hera and his opponent who is a top aoe3 player aren't players who sit idle and do nothing with their military. their apm during the game was insane and controlling armies of multiple units at same time.

I happen to watch both games you have mentioned and the amount of intricacies involved in both games is very entertaining, atleast for me. There were many choices and tactics both players went with which made the game amazing. Some of them which i could recollect are:
- GUA as french chose to make horsemen + archers instead of standard knights play as french specifically to counter hera's full feudal approach of longbow + spears
- hera was in feudal age till 26min which is an equivalent of 44min in aoe2 game-time to keep pressure on his opponent while opponent reached castle age under 12min. that is amazing as he held for 14min against army of higher quality.
- very interesting strategy around sacred sites and relic control.
I personally really enjoyed the games and so did most of the viewers imo (as evidently you have pointed out) because the way they played and also because i have played the game and understand a little bit of gameplay myself.

To quote a similar anology, Its like watching daut full wall his base as mayans going drush fc plumes vs a raging liereyy playing feudal aggression with archers. Daut would be macroing his way to imp while using plumes to raid without engaging much at all. To a viewer who doesnt understand much about mayans/plumes/archer vs plume debate/investment of castle vs boom/etc, his gameplay would look very dry and nothing happening , just a few weird archers moving around map and going back when they are threatened by army while those who do know whats going on are very hooked to it. That was the story of RBW 3 finals decider game.

Lol understand AoE4 is not that hard sorry for burst your bubble, it doesnt feel exciting at all for some people, and for some people is the best, for me f.e. is a normal RTS game, not good not bad and it looks like for most of the people is the same, if not its numbers wouldnt be declining so fast.

 

[Lord Bolton]

Lol understand AoE4 is not that hard sorry for burst your bubble, it doesnt feel exciting at all for some people, and for some people is the best, for me f.e. is a normal RTS game, not good not bad and it looks like for most of the people is the same, if not its numbers wouldnt be declining so fast.

yea you are right. A new game with 8 assymetric civs with very varied gameplay per civ with their own unique units/techs and playstyle in 15+ different maps definitely is very easy to understand. Kappa .

These "numbers" declining so fast has so many holes in logic. For example, it is not counting only the multiplayer population but single player too for both games. Many people play campaigns too and once they finish, they move on. It is not counting gamepass, etc.

I like both games, i like grinding on aoe4 1v1 as its new rts and its quite fresh with no existing meta . You can like your game, calling another game shallow just because its not aoe2 is just sad.

 

[JUDAS]

yea you are right. A new game with 8 assymetric civs with very varied gameplay per civ with their own unique units/techs and playstyle in 15+ different maps definitely is very easy to understand. Kappa .

These "numbers" declining so fast has so many holes in logic. For example, it is not counting only the multiplayer population but single player too for both games. Many people play campaigns too and once they finish, they move on. It is not counting gamepass, etc.

I like both games, i like grinding on aoe4 1v1 as its new rts and its quite fresh with no existing meta . You can like your game, calling another game shallow just because its not aoe2 is just sad.

Where I have called the game shallow?, In fact AoE4 was the last chance to revive the RTS gente, and it fell short, sorry for you, preferences for a game are subjective, but numbers don't lie, that is a fact. Btw I have played the game since Beta so I understand it.

 

[Giuseppe551]

In fact AoE4 was the last chance to revive the RTS gente

I'm on your side on this one, but I just wanted to point out that there's a studio called Frost Giant made up of a bunch of former Starcraft people who are in the process of creating a new RTS game. THAT is the real last chance to revive RTS, and I'm pretty confident whatever they make will be pretty great.

 

[JUDAS]

I'm on your side on this one, but I just wanted to point out that there's a studio called Frost Giant made up of a bunch of former Starcraft people who are in the process of creating a new RTS game. THAT is the real last chance to revive RTS, and I'm pretty confident whatever they make will be pretty great.

Yeah but that is in 5 years from now, RTS will be more niche, and remember that it has good talent, but not the amount of money that Blizzard used to release SC2.

 

[kw1k000000]

No surprise AOE4 players struggled in KoTD4.

Viper almost lost if ACCM held his composure.

Hera actually lost to Vinch

 

[YoungPanda95]

Viper almost lost if ACCM held his composure.

Maybe you should check your facts first? There is this great website called liquipedia that shows you who played against who Unless you are just writing your own alternative history so that you can talk ****, but only low effort trolls would ever do that

 

[kw1k000000]

Maybe you should check your facts first? There is this great website called liquipedia that shows you who played against who Unless you are just writing your own alternative history so that you can talk ****, but only low effort trolls would ever do that

It was a 3-2, other guy was 2-1 ahead then managed to lose 2-3

So just getting the name of player slightly wrong gets you so riled up :D

 

[amazing_knight]

Well, this is Sadge.

 

[z3us]

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Well, this is Sadge.

Where is the obligatory "Is MBL dynasty over" thread?????

 

[lecracheursagacite]

well it seems to me from what you've seen, a lot people do enjoy watching the game after all. Surprising!

"in both games there were points like sitting with armies 20min doing basically nothing." -
somehow i feel this is a misrepresentation as hera and his opponent who is a top aoe3 player aren't players who sit idle and do nothing with their military. their apm during the game was insane and controlling armies of multiple units at same time.

I happen to watch both games you have mentioned and the amount of intricacies involved in both games is very entertaining, atleast for me. There were many choices and tactics both players went with which made the game amazing. Some of them which i could recollect are:
- GUA as french chose to make horsemen + archers instead of standard knights play as french specifically to counter hera's full feudal approach of longbow + spears
- hera was in feudal age till 26min which is an equivalent of 44min in aoe2 game-time to keep pressure on his opponent while opponent reached castle age under 12min. that is amazing as he held for 14min against army of higher quality.
- very interesting strategy around sacred sites and relic control.
I personally really enjoyed the games and so did most of the viewers imo (as evidently you have pointed out) because the way they played and also because i have played the game and understand a little bit of gameplay myself.

To quote a similar anology, Its like watching daut full wall his base as mayans going drush fc plumes vs a raging liereyy playing feudal aggression with archers. Daut would be macroing his way to imp while using plumes to raid without engaging much at all. To a viewer who doesnt understand much about mayans/plumes/archer vs plume debate/investment of castle vs boom/etc, his gameplay would look very dry and nothing happening , just a few weird archers moving around map and going back when they are threatened by army while those who do know whats going on are very hooked to it. That was the story of RBW 3 finals decider game.

The real difference is that AoE4 feels so lifeless when you watch it because of things like it graphical style, camera angle and unit animations so people who can't see those very abstract technical intricacies in perfect detail tend to lose interest in it and this is not the case for AoE2 even with DE's downgrades.

 

[Surf_Meal]

Where is the obligatory "Is MBL dynasty over" thread?????

Come to think of it - he did look... “dehydrated”