AOE-II BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-8

UnknownKatsuni

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BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-8

Score :
4 - JorDan_23 persians aztecs vikings chinese - g4,g5,g7,g8
2 - TheViper vikings vikings - g3,g6

Overall Score after 8 games :
5 - JorDan_23 - g2,g4,g5,g7,g8
3 - TheViper - g1,g3,g6

Game 1-2 here : viewtopic.php?f=756&t=97930
Game 9 onwards here: here

Voobly Official Channel stream : g3 - 35:54 , g4 - 58:56 , g5 - 1:33:30 , g6 - 2:23:05 , g7 - 2:55:58 , g8 - 3:26:47

[twitch=492583059]vooblyofficial[/twitch]
 

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  • General Achievements Advancing Chat Researches

    • Version: AOC UP1.4
      Duration: 00:26:01
      Avg. rating: N/A
      Map: Rooster (LR)
      View of: TheViper
      Click on the map to enlarge
      Team 1
      TheViper
      Vikings
      Team 2
      JorDan_23
      Vikings
    • Overall Military Economy Technology Society

      •   Military Economy Technology Society Total
        TheViper 861 1668 1076 0 3605
        JorDan_23 583 1323 1076 0 2982
      •   Units killed Units lost Buildings razed Buildings lost Converted
        TheViper 42 31 3 0 0
        JorDan_23 31 42 0 3 0
      •   Food Wood Stone Gold Trade Tributes
        TheViper 4321 7866 0 2321 0 0/0
        JorDan_23 3978 7560 0 2213 0 0/0
      •   Feudal Castle Imperial Map expl. Research
        TheViper 00:09:37 00:22:37 - 45% 13 (13%)
        JorDan_23 00:09:35 00:22:43 - 45% 13 (13%)
      •   Wonders Castles Relics Relic gold Vill high
        TheViper 0 0 0 0 51
        JorDan_23 0 0 0 0 46
    •   Feudal Castle Imperial
      TheViper 00:09:37 00:22:37 -
      JorDan_23 00:09:35 00:22:43 -
    • PREGAME CHAT
      <JorDan_23> enjoy
      <TheViper> gl hfbro
      <JorDan_23> les rock
      <TheViper> 1
      INGAME CHAT
      [00:25:58] <JorDan_23> well played viper
      [00:26:00] <TheViper> gg
      [00:26:01] * JorDan_23 resigned
    • TheViper
      JorDan_23
      Time
    Version:
    AOC UP1.4
    Duration:
    00:26:01
    Avg. Rating:
    N/A
    Map:
    Rooster (LR)
    PoV:
    TheViper
    Team 1
    TheViper
    Vikings
    Team 2
    JorDan_23
    Vikings
  • General Achievements Advancing Chat Researches

    • Version: AOC UP1.4
      Duration: 00:26:01
      Avg. rating: N/A
      Map: Rooster (LR)
      View of: JorDan_23
      Click on the map to enlarge
      Team 1
      TheViper
      Vikings
      Team 2
      JorDan_23
      Vikings
    • Overall Military Economy Technology Society

      •   Military Economy Technology Society Total
        TheViper 861 1668 1076 0 3605
        JorDan_23 583 1323 1076 0 2982
      •   Units killed Units lost Buildings razed Buildings lost Converted
        TheViper 42 31 3 0 0
        JorDan_23 31 42 0 3 0
      •   Food Wood Stone Gold Trade Tributes
        TheViper 4321 7866 0 2321 0 0/0
        JorDan_23 3978 7560 0 2213 0 0/0
      •   Feudal Castle Imperial Map expl. Research
        TheViper 00:09:37 00:22:37 - 45% 13 (13%)
        JorDan_23 00:09:35 00:22:43 - 45% 13 (13%)
      •   Wonders Castles Relics Relic gold Vill high
        TheViper 0 0 0 0 51
        JorDan_23 0 0 0 0 46
    •   Feudal Castle Imperial
      TheViper 00:09:37 00:22:37 -
      JorDan_23 00:09:35 00:22:43 -
    • PREGAME CHAT
      <JorDan_23> enjoy
      <TheViper> gl hfbro
      <JorDan_23> les rock
      <TheViper> 1
      INGAME CHAT
      [00:25:58] <JorDan_23> well played viper
      [00:26:01] <TheViper> gg
      [00:26:01] * JorDan_23 resigned
    • TheViper
      JorDan_23
      Time
    Version:
    AOC UP1.4
    Duration:
    00:26:01
    Avg. Rating:
    N/A
    Map:
    Rooster (LR)
    PoV:
    JorDan_23
    Team 1
    TheViper
    Vikings
    Team 2
    JorDan_23
    Vikings

Unknown_InDuS_TauruS_

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Is Jordan actually playing slightly better than Viper or is it just a mental setback for Viper from the CoT loss?
 

Franceedie

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

I didnt see viper training for that BO, only 1-2 games rated 1h before the games start today and yesterday.
Jordan have trained many..
 

Unknown_CCC_Kyou

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Viper's performance at water map is just sick! Who can take one game from him.
Jordan was so aggressive at land maps, very impressive!
Gl both, looking forward to more ggs!
 
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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Cant seem to figure out whether Jordan was playing like a god, or Viper was playing like poop...

Especially the vik war on ghost lake, dafuq was that from viper...
 

Unknown_Andrew

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

i only watched the first 3 games... but viper's micro on water is so good it almost doesn't even make sense. Even a brilliant water player like Jordan just seems to be overmatched from a galley micro standpoint against him. In the Zero_v4 and Aztec war Jordan just outplayed Viper thoroughly... Viper made a good run at it in the Aztec war though after losing 4-5 vils in Dark Age
 
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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Watched the 5 first games, all formidable. I mean it, formidable. (2 first on stream, 3 next on AoC)

The Aztec Ara was beautiful. One of the best drush + FC I've ever seen by
Jordan
Will be very close BO21!
 

Unknownf1reboy

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

I laughed in game #4 when Jordan lost the relic in his own island to Viper's Monk by the transport ship. 11
 

UnknownDaranito_

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Jordan seems to be the better more complete player of the 2, I do believe we have a new king of AOC, viper might be slightly faster in his mouse movement, and it showed in the water map, but as far as strategy and overall macro, Jordan is above Viper. And it looks like Jordan has a mental edge on Viper as the way Viper resigned right away in the last Chi vs Chi game when Jordan touched Imp.
 
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#11
Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Jordan seems to be the better more complete player of the 2, I do believe we have a new king of AOC, viper might be slightly faster in his mouse movement, and it showed in the water map, but as far as strategy and overall macro, Jordan is above Viper. And it looks like Jordan has a mental edge on Viper as the way Viper resigned right away in the last Chi vs Chi game when Jordan touched Imp.
I think this is a huge over reaction to a 3-2 win in CoT and a 4-2 day in this best of 21. Players have on and off days; today clearly polarized this. And Viper resigned the Chinese wars game upon Jordan's Imp because he recognized the situation, Jordan had a clearly better eco, larger army, and was about to treb the castles. In the Aztec game Viper continued because he had a better eco and relics.

Don't want to take anything away from Jordan's performance today, but Come on Man!
 

Unknownownz

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

gj jordan =) keep going strong . Best player right now easy to see .
 

MexicoSouFire

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

actually jordan could have won the islands game but he was less boar, behind on eco since dark age, he hold on and quit with 1k wood 2k gold only 30 pop behind vipa,but anyways at the end that game was from viper since min 7, the chinese game was clearly a lost game for viper, in the aztek game it was weird viper was walled with better eco before jordan reached imperial age with such low pop(70) i think he took bad decision trying to win him with castle age units, i think viper is playing nervous against jordan.
 

UnknownJohhnnY

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Hmm i thought before the games, that viper will take it like 11-6, 11-7, maybe 11-8, now i think it will be closer result, but im still sure that Viper will win this. I like Jordan's style, but Viper is slightly better in many aspects of the game (speed, micro, strategy thinking, ego, comebacks...) Today it just wasn't his day, he played really well only rooster and islands, while i would expect better performance by him on other maps. Zero wasnt well played by him, with Jordans map easy to wall, he definitely should go for water and it cost him the game. Chinese war and aztec war were both played quite strange by him, he should go more offensive in both games. The FR was again strange, going archery + siege workshop instead of second archery cost him the game. In my opinion he thought that Jordan would play slightely more offensive and that he would beat him with siege + eco advantage. According to me, Viper will be tommorow absolutely different player, he's really the player playing sometimes like 2k8 and sometimes like 16++. I have just checked the remaining maps, if Viper would win game 9 (RF) and g10 (arabia mirror) im sure that he will win. My tip is 11:9 Viper, he will be winning 10:8, then he will lose and then he'll win on goths war atacama (g20).
 

BrazilNigelSlack

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Hmm i thought before the games, that viper will take it like 11-6, 11-7, maybe 11-8, now i think it will be closer result, but im still sure that Viper will win this. I like Jordan's style, but Viper is slightly better in many aspects of the game (speed, micro, strategy thinking, ego, comebacks...) Today it just wasn't his day, he played really well only rooster and islands, while i would expect better performance by him on other maps. Zero wasnt well played by him, with Jordans map easy to wall, he definitely should go for water and it cost him the game. Chinese war and aztec war were both played quite strange by him, he should go more offensive in both games. The FR was again strange, going archery + siege workshop instead of second archery cost him the game. In my opinion he thought that Jordan would play slightely more offensive and that he would beat him with siege + eco advantage. According to me, Viper will be tommorow absolutely different player, he's really the player playing sometimes like 2k8 and sometimes like 16++. I have just checked the remaining maps, if Viper would win game 9 (RF) and g10 (arabia mirror) im sure that he will win. My tip is 11:9 Viper, he will be winning 10:8, then he will lose and then he'll win on goths war atacama (g20).
not like that...
playing "bad" and losing vs jordan, does't mean he played like 16++, he could even kill other 2k2 players without much trouble, playing in the same way... But agree with you that his performance wasn't good today
 
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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

Jordan seems to be the better more complete player of the 2, I do believe we have a new king of AOC, viper might be slightly faster in his mouse movement, and it showed in the water map, but as far as strategy and overall macro, Jordan is above Viper. And it looks like Jordan has a mental edge on Viper as the way Viper resigned right away in the last Chi vs Chi game when Jordan touched Imp.
Aren't we overreacting a bit? Maybe?

Mental edge? The guy has destroyed every single played his faced on every possible setting.
He just had a couple of "bad" games vs a formidable opponent. Lets not jump into conclusions here, please.
 

UnknownCometNEt

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

I guess you could say Jordan's dark age in the islands game was...

(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

...aboarent.

(sorry couldn't help myself)
 
Nov 26, 2010
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#20
Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

it's so easy to talk from a watcher point of view.
This level of gaming is VERY high, any mistake makes lots of impact in the game.
Like G3, they played almost the same during the first 15 mins of the game (except jordan did blacksmith first), viper just outmicroed jordan (no much) at some point and got the advantage and won.
Viper army combination and boom is awsome however when jordan is agressive he is more efficient than viper.
I thought Chirs x Daut era was the highest level in 1x1 battles but i think i was wrong.

Gj Viper and Jordan, you guys are both MONSTERs!
 

UnknownHani_

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

I see so much people speaking of bad days, bad games, no train, seriously lol

player who lose always look like bad day/game cause he simply gets outplayed by a BETTER player.. go play vs a guy 200 points under ur rate your gamestyle will look fantastic, rox micro, map control, army, go play vs a guy +200 your rate you will look like newbish

yes bad maps can affect, or inactivity but i'm sure both are actif and trained for 1k$ especialy right after COT where they played load of games insides and prolly x10 minimum outside.

i didn't watch games though but these are obvious points, keep going hd!
 

UnknownJohhnnY

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Re: BO21: TheViper (vs) JorDan_23 Game 3-

11, ok according to your theory there are good and bad players, not good and bad days. So when Jordan played better yesterday than Viper, he will definitely play better than him today aswell. OK, i would like to see it.
 

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