Big scoob player Toxic

[zShades]

You don't think aoe (and I use this term loosely) "celebrities," should be criticized when they act like a child, a racist, or use homophobic slurs?

Is there a certain ranking where this changes?

If you take issue with what Big Scoob says, you should take issue with the various and repeated occurrences of appalling behavior by certain "celebrities." Else this sentiment reeks of tribalism and favoritism at best, or more concerningly "the rules are for thee, not for me," as it applies to criticism.

You have no problem levying disdain at Big Scoob, but decry the reaction of others and make pained calls for moderation when a fellow teamate does something comparable (there is no need to debate whether two "I kill your families," equal a homopbic or racial slur, it's immaterial) -- while downplaying or excusing their behavior.

Why is that, and is that fair or just? If this viewpoint was consistent, why wouldn't you also take issue with the castigation of Big Scoob? Is there a certain level or number of occurrences, if not veracity of abhorrent behavior where your opinion changes on the matter?

Good to see the usual suspects riled by the suggestion that actions have consequences.

Big scoob has a general kind of hate. Being homophobic is adressed to a single category; you cant compare Big scoob behaviour with anything else, his hate is beyond anything.

 

[vince]

I'll just stick to the "i'll make stuff up to save face for my unfounded arguments" argument.

fixed

 

[IYIyTh]

Big scoob has a general kind of hate. Being homophobic is adressed to a single category; you cant compare Big scoob behaviour with anything else, his hate is beyond anything.

I have not compared Big Scoob's behavior, I'm comparing the response to top tier players similar outbursts (only Vince denying they happen, so I'll count that as a win) and certain proclivity to attempt to squelch any criticism regarding them vis a vis big scoob. Others have attempted to falsely equivalate the argument to mean that pro players have acted with the veracity of Big Scoob. But that has never been the point --merely that an army of random folks and/or teammates pop up to defend such behavior of top tier players when it does (frequency irrelevant,), and mockingly suggesting all Big Scoob needs to do is rise up a few hundred rankings, pretend he's reformed and he'll have a bunch of folks clamoring for his sainthood.

It isn't as simple as several pretty substantial and well documented outbursts vs. big scoob , but how the community and certain pro's respond when they do occur and are criticized.

It's a fairly simple concept to suggest, and the resistance to the idea that there is favoritism towards pro players when they have similarly distasteful outbursts is probably the least controversial argument I've proposed.

 

[nimanoe]

You don't think aoe (and I use this term loosely) "celebrities," should be criticized when they act like a child, a racist, or use homophobic slurs?

Not what he said.
If I had to answer, yes they should be criticized and they have been in the past to the point where they had to apologize and some of them got punished for it.
If there is something that they should be criticized for please post the proof and we maybe we can come to a conclusion

It's a fairly simple concept to suggest, and the resistance that there is favoritism towards pro players when they have similarly distasteful outbursts is probably the least controversial argument I've proposed.

I agree with you, there is a difference in reacting to "aoe celebrities". Yes there will be some "fans" who will defend them, but on the other side, there's also some "haters" who will condemn them for everything.

Case in point:

Oh well. I still love MBL.

No homo.

 

[IYIyTh]

Not what he said.

If there is something that they should be criticized for please post the proof and we maybe we can come to a conclusion

Point was never undertaking a witch hunt, but highlighting the disparate treatment and calls for moderation in the two instances.

I was wondering how long that would take -- well done.

 

[LowEloNobody]

Love how almost any thread over 5 pages includes 2-3 pages of Myth arguing with pretty much the entirety of the 'Zone

 

[IYIyTh]

Love how almost any thread over 5 pages includes 2-3 pages of Myth arguing with pretty much the entirety of the 'Zone

Frankly it beats the threads suggesting that gujara's also get paladin et al.

 

[vince]

I have not compared Big Scoob's behavior, I'm comparing the response to top tier players similar outbursts (only Vince denying they happen, so I'll count that as a win)

lol at you literally lying once again

I never once denied that outbursts happen among top tier players, nor defended such outbursts. what i did deny, is that their outbursts are anything at all like big scoob wishing cancer and death on people. still don't see how someone calling themselves the R word is somehow on the same tier.

not to mention, this quote by you was the foundation of this whole discussion

What's funny is how the community would be falling over backwards to explain away the behavior if he was a top 5 player instead of a top 200.

"He didn't mean he would actually kill you in real life when he said i'll kill you irl, he was/is just immature and had an emotional reaction."

your quote was in response to big scoob wishing death and cancer on someone. your claim is that if a top 5 player had an expletive filled tirade where they wished death and cancer on someone, that it would be excused. so yes, you absolutely brought scoobs specific behavior into the comparison. it was not simply a matter of focusing on "outbursts" in general.

Point was never undertaking a witch hunt, but highlighting the disparate treatment and calls for moderation in the two instances.

this is such a load of crap its not even funny. if all you wanted was for it to be highlighted, you could have simply posted what happened. but instead you made a bunch of sarcastic, vague remarks about some undefined event. that won't get anything accomplished, and further brings your motive into question.

regardless of your weird motives... what would be your resolution here? for people to say that hera was wrong for calling himself the R word and getting visibly frustrated over losing a couple games?

hera was wrong for calling himself the R word and getting visibly frustrated over losing a couple games. no question about it. hopefully he learns from it and grows.

btw - now you have something real, where i actually spoke on the behavior of a player other than scoob. no need to make up lies and fabricate things I never said anymore.

 

[IYIyTh]

I don't think you could have taken any more out of context than what you have. I'm not sure how saying the same thing repeatedly is a lie. Your inability to comprehend what has been said is a decidedly you problem, especially given you very clearly have no desire to do so.

I'll defer to myself when it comes to the literal words I have said, no need to substitute or interject meaning where there isn't.

You are a great tool in explaining the point, carrying on and defending the actions of those unnamed as if you are doing anything but proving the point I have made. Your exasperation matches only the irony.

 

[vince]

I don't think you could have taken any more out of context than what you have. I'm not sure how saying the same thing repeatedly is a lie. Your inability to comprehend what has been said is a decidedly you problem, especially given you very clearly have no desire to do so.

I'll defer to myself when it comes to the literal words I have said, no need to substitute or interject meaning where there isn't.

You are a great tool in explaining the point, carrying on and defending the actions of those unnamed as if you are doing anything but proving the point I have made. Your exasperation matches only the irony.

11 nice try

 

[Progeusz]

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[MrIster24]

> conjure up a hypothesis that anyone achieving top 5 would be fiercely defended by the community
> get very upset and attack others while ruminating on your internal hypothesis
> provide evidence in the form of vapid, unsubstantiated conjecture instead of anything concrete
> ???
> profit!

 

[IYIyTh]

> conjure up a hypothesis that anyone achieving top 5 would be fiercely defended by the community
> People defend top 5 previous behavior despite not even being mentioned by name
> evidence provided by others confirming top 5 behavior has been deplorable in past
> point proven
> people demand additional examples outside of historical examples as additional evidence to prove people wouldn't do as I say.

Hypothesis already proven in this very thread. People coming out of the woodwork to excuse away past behavior and demanding proof in excess of previous behavior as standard.

"No one in the top five could have possibly said something similar to Big Scoob -- EVAR."
Response: It has happened so frequently I don't even need to name names or pick an event.
"See you have no proof."
Community Members: No, there have been multiple examples -- stop kidding yourselves. Here's a handful.
---Disproven.

Insert "well it hasn't happened recently so that disproves theory, in fact MY favorite streamer/top player is ACTUALLY a model citizen -- in spite of example A, B, C, X, D . It is simply untrue if bigscoob became better people would clearly not make excuses for examples strikingly similar to A, B, C, X, D ."

 

[_PaternaAoE_]

I miss the old days when this thread was about big scoob screenshots and not about complicated hypotheses

 

[IYIyTh]

"complicated."

 

[vince]

I miss the old days when this thread was about big scoob screenshots and not about complicated hypotheses

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or blatant lies and fabrications

 

[LowEloNobody]

Hypothesis already proven in this very thread. People coming out of the woodwork to excuse away past behavior and demanding proof in excess of previous behavior as standard.

"No one in the top five could have possibly said something similar to Big Scoob -- EVAR."
Response: It has happened so frequently I don't even need to name names or pick an event.
"See you have no proof."
Community Members: No, there have been multiple examples -- stop kidding yourselves. Here's a handful.
---Disproven.

Insert "well it hasn't happened recently so that disproves theory, in fact MY favorite streamer/top player is ACTUALLY a model citizen -- in spite of example A, B, C, X, D . It is simply untrue if bigscoob became better people would clearly not make excuses for examples strikingly similar to A, B, C, X, D ."

Not even sure people are coming out of the woodwork to defend anyone at this point. Pretty sure they are just here to argue with you

 

[IYIyTh]

Not even sure people are coming out of the woodwork to defend anyone at this point. Pretty sure they are just here to argue with you

Certainly now.

Not before:
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(Tbf Vince is a prototypical example since he first started claiming no such event existed, no recent event existed, then that it wasn't a big deal, and then finally that he just doesn't care after being corrected in order by himself and/or other members of the community.)

All various flavors of downplaying previous actions/statements by top players who hadn't even been named, quintessentially encapsulating the point that was made.

 

[vince]

11 more misrepresentation

in other news, here we have myth being a blatant liar, and unwittingly exposing his own lies and a complete lack of reading comprehension.

i feel my goal here has been accomplished. enjoy continuing to dig your own hole, myth. its pretty clear now that the only one convinced of your weird narrative is yourself. im done with this one.

*cue incoming post by myth claiming "victory"*

 

[oozkan]

@IYIyTh and @vince , your English is so sophisticated, I feel like I am at work, reading mails from clients. Please keep it simple and stupid to reach wider audience.

 

[IYIyTh]

11 more misrepresentation

It's hard to misrepresent what you literally wrote, unless you are of the opinion your posts don't actually mean what you write.

Would not be surprising, based on your demonstrated behavior. Or that you actually have used that as a justification for previous examples other community members have provided you as why certain transgressions get a pass from you -- even if they don't from the community. Would not surprise me in the least for you to explain Big Scoob's turnaround and that he did not mean that he really hoped hundreds of peoples families died of cancer.

 

[MrIster24]

So many words so little substance

 

[SuperskinnyBLS]

@IYIyTh and @vince , your English is so sophisticated, I feel like I am at work, reading mails from clients. Please keep it simple and stupid to reach wider audience.

That reminds me of the mighty SimonSan who would write a 10 page essay and contain 0 substance there xD I sometimes used to read his posts several times to find what he was trying to say and there was nothing.

 

[LowEloNobody]

That reminds me of the mighty SimonSan who would write a 10 page essay and contain 0 substance there xD I sometimes used to read his posts several times to find what he was trying to say and there was nothing.

Well Simonsan also generally backed up his posts with pretty solid data (Including building the API that finally showed us the GamePass users on the franchise)

 

[_PaternaAoE_]

Im not sure scoobie would be proud of what has this thread become