AOE-HD Are Mongols shit now?

GermanyKing_Marv

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Im losing pretty much all games with Mongols in any map, so i started questioning myself if its the civ. Here are some facts:

Only viable option is elite mangudai because:

Knightline sux only +2 and no paladin
No halbs
Skirms only +2
Husar with more hp but only +2 which makes them only average.

They got arbalest though but its an average unit when fighting in imperial.

The Problem is that Elite Mangudais cant deal with Imperial camels, Tarkans, Huskarls, Elefant, Camel Archers and since they got nerved they are not that great anymore vs paladins. Also you have no eco bonus and your only strong unit requires a castle or better said to get the numbers you need like 3-4 castles and all upgrades.

I think they need a buff like getting halbs or the +4 for the knightline that heavy camels can be used as real counter.
Whats your opinion on that?
 
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imo mangudai got nerfed too hard when you add in all the anti mangudai units and techs that got added in the expansions
 

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Well mongol was never considered good in 1v1, i mean it wasn't bad, but also wasn't that good, it's TG where it was top tier, and still is.
 

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Imo if Mangudai needed a nerf the AOF version did it right.

Elite Mang in AOF still had 0 frame delay

Elite has full bonus damage vs rams and trebs (fine)

Vs Onager, Scorp, Bombard Cannon it had +2 bonus vs siege (perfect)

This was by far the best compromise of Mangudai nerf.

Is 0 frame delay OP? Yes. Are the new civs just as OP? Yes. Is it justified? Imo in AOC no, AOF yes and in current expansions, nope.

Elite Mameluke sadly got hit by this too and this unit is more nerfed now grassSad especially for DM players.

What makes it more sheet is the typical civrape scenario in AOC (Maya vs Goth) is not the biggest civ rape anymore.

Berbers vs Mongols take that prize now. At least Mayans had an answer to Goths even in late imp albeit if it was very uphill in 1v1 where gold isn't limitless. How does Mongols stack up against Banbers? Yea it is not a good fight at all :lol: in any age.

Berbers are too good vs all the CA civs even Burmese (although Burmese early game can give Banbers a hard time at least) Mongols has their lighting fast scrush and that's it. Whole game your tech tree is no better.

Your hussars suck vs berber hussars. 118hp? So What? Genitours do 4 dmg to hussars while his hussars are cheaper and has armour too.

Speedy siege ram and siege Onagers? Lol he has BBC, Camel Archers and cheaper hussar,cavalier,camels and better stable than you. Even better trash war.

I guess when they wanted to create a Mongol civrape civ that has 0 answer. The devs succeeded. Makes goth vs Mayan or any archer civ a walk in the park in comparison. :lol:
 

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Well mongol was never considered good in 1v1, i mean it wasn't bad, but also wasn't that good, it's TG where it was top tier, and still is.
I disagree, before WK they were definitely picked top 5
after aztec, maya, hun
I think their potential shined more in TG where you could reliably get out elite Mangudai if pocket or something but otherwise in 1v1 they were probably just above mid tier and below top tier.
 

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Speedy siege ram and siege Onagers? Lol he has BBC, Camel Archers and cheaper hussar,cavalier,camels and better stable than you. Even better trash war.
!overeacting
lulz good luck microing BBC vs drilled SO
No way Berber weck Mong in post imp. Hell I would say it is opposite.
mongols have no chances vs berbers in 1v1
 

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i think they are still ok, there are worse civs out there.
but definitly no longer a set pick in 4v4.
 

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Mangudai were tier 2 on arabia 1vs1 AoC
Tier 1: Aztec / Maya / Hun
Tiera 2: Celt / Mongol / Brit / Jap

Check Arabia 1v1 Invitational tournament games. Now they are kind of below all the new civs, maybe they beat franks/khmer.
 

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Question is, why would you nerf a civ when the new civs are already OP?
We need to start a petition to make them what they were in AoC :wink:
 

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Yes, 1vs1 arabia.

Malay and Ethiopians are clear better.

Vietnamese and Mongol ~ I would say vietnamese, their unique unit counters all the units from the mongol but siege ones.
 

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if you make battle elefants you cant do anything with mongols.

i was not talking about arabia 1v1 , also arena 1v1 or other maps. I mean on what map you would go mongols as lets say top10 civ?

BF 4v4 is the only map where they can be a pick in top 10 civ.


Mangudai were tier 2 on arabia 1vs1 AoC
Tier 1: Aztec / Maya / Hun
Tiera 2: Celt / Mongol / Brit / Jap

Check Arabia 1v1 Invitational tournament games. Now they are kind of below all the new civs, maybe they beat franks/khmer.
They're definitely better than Khmer, Malay, Ethiopians, Vietnamese, Portuguese, so they're not "below all the new civs".

they cant beat ethopians and they cant beat khmer and vietnam elefant. Yeah ok better than portu. Also malay is way better.
 

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Yeah and for that reason a civ is better than the other? 11
Ethiopians are insanely strong in 1v1 arabia.

Mongols are trash now, mangudai sux, camel archer counter pretty much everything and they have cheaper knights with all upgrades (11?), not to mention arambai that is a fuc.king conquistador with almost the same price as a plumed archer.
 
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