AoE2 Tournament Points

[deadmeatnoob]

Visual representation of top 20 players over time. Updated at the end of each month.

Please update @robo

 

[jx_william]

Robo is you occupation data scientist?

 

[nimanoe]

Had a look at the document again and saw that ACCM and Mr_Yo got no points for RBW V. I don't think that's totally fair, as they would've gained at the very least the same amount of points as the bottom place if it wasn't for out of game situations that were out of their control.

Another thing that I noticed was that if a player is invited, but then doesn't win a series, they'll get 0 points. That seems overly harsh imo. In general players are invited based on past performances, so they've "earned" their invite.
An extreme example of this is TaToH in Hidden Cup 4, where he took Hera, the eventual winner of the tournament to a decider game in a bo5, but then doesn't gain any points.
I think if you want to punish players that got invited, but didn't win anything, you could drop them down a level, but giving them no points seems too harsh.

 

[willdbeast]

so they've "earned" their invite.

but they already got points for winning whatever they won to get the invite, I don't see why they should double dip on that past performance because a tourney host chooses to use it for invites

I do agree HC is an exception though due to the random seed, normally an invited player benefits points-wise from a higher expected chance of winning round 1 due to seeding which compensates for lack of qualifier points.

 

[vince]

but they already got points for winning whatever they won to get the invite, I don't see why they should double dip on that past performance because a tourney host chooses to use it for invites

I do agree HC is an exception though due to the random seed, normally an invited player benefits points-wise from a higher expected chance of winning round 1 due to seeding which compensates for lack of qualifier points.

i was thinking the same tbh

if you get an invitation based on having a certain number of points, why would they be rewarded bonus points for the invitation itself? they would literally be getting bonus points simply because they have more points than others. its different if they won a qualifier or something. but to get an invitation without any extra work, imo doesnt seem fair.

EDIT: I retract the above. didn't think about how players who go through qualifiers would get points for qualifying, which means invitees get nothing, which would actually be the unfair part

 

[nimanoe]

but they already got points for winning whatever they won to get the invite, I don't see why they should double dip on that past performance because a tourney host chooses to use it for invites

And everybody else had the chance to earn points in those events as well, but they didn't. It's not the player's fault they get invited, so why should they get so heavily punished for it? And it's not like in 99% of the cases they'd make it through the qualifier anyway. Also I suggested that they'd get demoted to a lower group, so they'd still earn less than a player who qualified but then goes out.

 

[King_Boo]

its simple, stop inviting players except the champion of the previous edition

 

[archxeon]

And everybody else had the chance to earn points in those events as well, but they didn't. It's not the player's fault they get invited, so why should they get so heavily punished for it? And it's not like in 99% of the cases they'd make it through the qualifier anyway. Also I suggested that they'd get demoted to a lower group, so they'd still earn less than a player who qualified but then goes out.

If that is such a heavy punishment and 99% make it through the qualifier anyway, would it be worth declining the invite to try to qualify so you also get the ATP points?

 

[nimanoe]

If that is such a heavy punishment and 99% make it through the qualifier anyway, would it be worth declining the invite to try to qualify so you also get the ATP points?

Obviously depends on if you are available at that time, but I think it would help some players a lot, as you'll also practice the maps and settings.

Also right now ATP aren't used for every tournament, so having more points there doesn't help that much, but if every tournament started using it, I think it would be better to qualify yes.

Edit: also depends a lot on the settings of the tournament of course. If it's a NAC and there's only 2 spots available by qualifier and the rest is invited, it's obviously not worth it, especially with a very long and forgiving group stage, where it's unlikely you'll win 0 series.
But if the format is a single elimination format like in Hidden Cup, it's very much worth it.

 

[Springoftheking]

If the goal is to have ranking, which reflects the real skill level of the players, you cannot give zero ranking point to players, which participants to the biggest tournaments, even if they won't win single match. These players are usually still better than most unqualified players and scoring should reflect that.

 

[Degaussed]

The Historical S-Tier ranking (basically every S-Tier event since DE) has a new #1