About TeamGames situation.....

[maldoror_]

Almost all team games happen the same

If a map other than arabia comes up 50% of the time someone closes the game and the queue is restarted.

So it makes no sense to put a map pack with different maps if this type of behavior is not sanctioned.

It's been a year of this and you can't see any change, and it's obviously behavior that we all see.

Until when will this game continue to be beta?

 

[The Bloodless]

You get into games ? I tried playing team game with a buddy last night and got a error twice. Error 4 failed or something. First him, then me next time. Literally unplayable for me it seems 11

 

[diseased]

A simple fix would be to either 1) add a queue cooldown for people unqueuing from games (5 mins would probably be enough) or 2) just add an arabia queue like how CS has a MM queue for dust2, but I'm not sure either will ever happen.

 

[Umdeuter]

A simple fix would be to either 1) add a queue cooldown for people unqueuing from games (5 mins would probably be enough) or 2) just add an arabia queue like how CS has a MM queue for dust2, but I'm not sure either will ever happen.

You need enough players for that. Even now, you sometimes have to wait pretty long to find a game.

I think that's one of the issues you just got to live with. It's not easy to solve to say the least. Do you want to force players in playing something they don't want to play?

 

[Paint]

This also happens in 1v1... The favorite system makes people think that they are entitled to always play Arabia ranked and everyone that favourites different map must be crazy.

 

[Umdeuter]

everyone that favourites different map must be crazy

well, that's not too far off though

 

[Deathcounter]

Picture this.
You see your old game which you (MS) don't develop anymore still going strong for 10 years. During the 10 years, the community itself coded everything it needed for this game to become better (fixing bugs, quality of life changes, new features).
They are mostly playing on Voobly on Gameranger, which both have a lobby system at least I know from Voobly. You can create Rooms, put your room title and description, elo range, mods, a friend system within the client, a player list, match history, profile, streaming support, Twitch chat ingame, and much more which I won't list here because I don't want to write a poem. After these 10 years there was a big consensus made by the community that this is the best system, including P2P connection for maybe laggier games, but without anyone's disadvantage (lower ping can micro better etc.). Nobody is losing connection, lagger (FP) are marked and everything is alright.

And then you fail to reproduce that in the Rework of a Rework... smh.
Not even match history works, we don't have any % on the winrate of the civs. Just bars.
Hell, the community again had to make match history itself, statistics itself

Meanwhile when I view my stats

Microsoft doesn't care about the game anymore, enough copies are sold, profit is made. And that's it.
Last 2 "updates" didn't even have balance changes. I can't even see who I am playing against (I just want to see if they do random civ option or not. That's all).
Noobs and Better players both come to the 2400 2500 TG elo Threshold, where they just get assigned together because the Elo system gives you 15 Elo on Win and -6 on Lose. Just yesterday I played with RoR Ganji (85% win rate) with one dude (about 46% win rate IIRC) that didn't even know the archer build order (Ofc a Briton picker) against a premade 4 man Team. Fairness?

You have to recreate a party from scratch after every game because previously the party member could go Singleplayer while the Host starts multiplayer queue. I don't know what happened when both multiplayer/singleplayer games start (crash?) but to prevent that they didn't add a system that checks if all party members are in the MP screen. Noo, go ahead create a 4 player party over and over, tick Map Bans again and again... I am sure it's worth it, it's not like anyone can disconnect in your next TG Kappa

They added a feature where you could join a party when you press ESC while watching a rec or spectate a game... If you join the party this way, the replay just goes on. You hear all sounds, you still see the scoreboard and once its completed (you get back again to the Rec Ending screen and then back to main menu) the info on the right side wont go away. Imagine, they made a feature that allows you to join parties while watching games, and apparently they didn't even test it once

So there it is, the truth is MS won't do anything past the bare minimum now.

 

[SouFire]

Stop ur nonse hate, in 2010 the game was basically dead, riut and tim were the only active top players, the rest were in iddle mode, no tournament sponsors, voobly was charging for the extra wide patch which was a free mod from a random guy, UP didn't exist, cheaters were so pupular btw ertug and fulgore viper was just a 1700 dude, the lord cut his hand and went off for several years.

2010 and 2011 were dark years for this game, there was no hope for the game.

There was a pizza guy who was an employee at microsoft who was pushing letters to them to work again in the game, along with the forgotten empires project at 2012 after having the news pros approval (viper and joadn) and community that microsoft decides to take a look to the game and remaster it in HD a year later. Thanks to that the game got new blood despite the HD was an epic fail, same will happen with DE new players will rise because of it, without those things happening this game would be only patch 1.0c being played in game ranger, cause voobly grew up a lot thanks to the HD players.

 

[Umdeuter]

voobly was bullshit and DE is better in pretty much everything, only nerds and people who are 60y old in their head prefer voobly, fight me

that's also completely off topic, wtf

 

[Nheltarion]

Picture this.
You see your old game which you (MS) don't develop anymore still going strong for 10 years. During the 10 years, the community itself coded everything it needed for this game to become better (fixing bugs, quality of life changes, new features).
They are mostly playing on Voobly on Gameranger, which both have a lobby system at least I know from Voobly. You can create Rooms, put your room title and description, elo range, mods, a friend system within the client, a player list, match history, profile, streaming support, Twitch chat ingame, and much more which I won't list here because I don't want to write a poem. After these 10 years there was a big consensus made by the community that this is the best system, including P2P connection for maybe laggier games, but without anyone's disadvantage (lower ping can micro better etc.). Nobody is losing connection, lagger (FP) are marked and everything is alright.

And then you fail to reproduce that in the Rework of a Rework... smh.
Not even match history works, we don't have any % on the winrate of the civs. Just bars.
Hell, the community again had to make match history itself, statistics itself

Meanwhile when I view my stats
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Microsoft doesn't care about the game anymore, enough copies are sold, profit is made. And that's it.
Last 2 "updates" didn't even have balance changes. I can't even see who I am playing against (I just want to see if they do random civ option or not. That's all).
Noobs and Better players both come to the 2400 2500 TG elo Threshold, where they just get assigned together because the Elo system gives you 15 Elo on Win and -6 on Lose. Just yesterday I played with RoR Ganji (85% win rate) with one dude (about 46% win rate IIRC) that didn't even know the archer build order (Ofc I Briton picker) against a premade 4 man Team. Fairness?

You have to recreate a party from scratch after every game because previously the party member could go Singleplayer while the Host starts multiplayer queue. I don't know what happened when both multiplayer/singleplayer games start (crash?) but to prevent that they didn't add a system that checks if all party members are in the MP screen. Noo, go ahead create a 4 player party over and over, tick Map Bans again and again... I am sure it's worth it, it's not like anyone can disconnect in your next TG Kappa
View attachment 184085

They added a feature where you could join a party when you press ESC while watching a rec or spectate a game... If you join the party this way, the replay you just goes on. You hear all sounds, you still see the scoreboard and once its completed (you get back again to the Rec Ending screen and then back to main menu) the info on the right side wont go away. Imagine, they made a feature that allows you to join parties while watching games, and apparently they didn't even test it once

So there it is, the truth is MS won't do anything past the bare minimum now.

You forgot the part about the Realms mod

 

[AkeNo]

if you ban arabia you shouldn't even queue up against people who have selected arabia / chosen as favorite right?

 

[Relux_the_Relux]

if you ban arabia you shouldn't even queue up against people who have selected arabia / chosen as favorite right?

no, you always queue up against everyone in the queue, since there is always at least 1 map that neither player banned.

 

[thepitzaboy]

There was a pizza guy who was an employee at microsoft who was pushing letters to them to work again in the game, along with the forgotten empires project at 2012 after having the news pros approval (viper and joadn) and community that microsoft decides to take a look to the game and remaster it in HD a year later. Thanks to that the game got new blood despite the HD was an epic fail, same will happen with DE new players will rise because of it, without those things happening this game would be only patch 1.0c being played in game ranger, cause voobly grew up a lot thanks to the HD players.

Hi Soufire

 

[dave_hun]

Today I had about 8 or 9 times "matchmaking error -4" in 1v1 queue, basically any map other than arabia my opponent alt-f4'd. What I don't get is, I favorited arabia, so it seems my opponents were not happy with arabia, or basically any other map either.

 

[AkeNo]

no, you always queue up against everyone in the queue, since there is always at least 1 map that neither player banned.

yeah that is true. However, my understanding is like this (1v1) example:

Player A has Arabia favorite, Player B has Islands favorite.
If there is no ban it's a 50/50 between those (favorited) maps.
let's say Player A has Arabia favorited and banned Islands he will never match up vs Player B, correct?
Because the system always chooses from the favorite maps first (if there are any)
It's different if there is no favorite map selected obviously.

Does it not work like that in teamgames, too?

 

[chrummi]

No it doesnt work like that. First you are matched with a player, then the map is chosen. If you both have the same as favorite it picks this map, if one player has no favorite or the favorite is banned by the other player the other players home map will be played, if no player has a favorite or both favorites are banned then a map both players have not banned will be selected randomly.

 

[Philippe le Bon]

voobly was bullshit and DE is better in pretty much everything, only nerds and people who are 60y old in their head prefer voobly, fight me

that's also completely off topic, wtf

word

 

[Ayase_Chihaya]

Stop ur nonse hate, in 2010 the game was basically dead, riut and tim were the only active top players, the rest were in iddle mode, no tournament sponsors, voobly was charging for the extra wide patch which was a free mod from a random guy, UP didn't exist, cheaters were so pupular btw ertug and fulgore viper was just a 1700 dude, the lord cut his hand and went off for several years.

2010 and 2011 were dark years for this game, there was no hope for the game.

There was a pizza guy who was an employee at microsoft who was pushing letters to them to work again in the game, along with the forgotten empires project at 2012 after having the news pros approval (viper and joadn) and community that microsoft decides to take a look to the game and remaster it in HD a year later. Thanks to that the game got new blood despite the HD was an epic fail, same will happen with DE new players will rise because of it, without those things happening this game would be only patch 1.0c being played in game ranger, cause voobly grew up a lot thanks to the HD players.

Nothing you said negates what he said, I don't think he was simply "hating". He was just listing some features voobly had and things it did differently to the way it is on DE, and you are bringing up some issues we had back then, and an upside of HD and DE. Both things should be said so we can have a clearer picture...