... laming my friend.I think that stream cheating can be done in any esport, and when not banned by the rules(like in this showmatch) would be definitely viewed as unethical by the majority.
... laming my friend.I think that stream cheating can be done in any esport, and when not banned by the rules(like in this showmatch) would be definitely viewed as unethical by the majority.
Does majority of the pros think streamcheating is against some common rules, that any pro should obey during any showmatch/tournament? Definitely yes... laming my friend.
Yeah, I agree now its easier than ever to steal a boar and get some advantage from that. But at least its good news since it shows that you can change the mechanic of how many hits you do to the boar chase your scout, all you have to do is to make the boar chase your scou after 3 hits and the problem is solved, not sure where it leaves the villagers though since it now takes only 1 hit to the boar chase the vill too.dogao my friend, that's the thing though: we, the people against laming, are arguing that laming should NOT be legit.
Fine if you disagree, but there's nothing exceptional or unheard of about our position as you seem to be suggesting.
This is the only game i know where people think its "unethical" trying to get an advantage over your opponent.
Ouch 11I wish Daut would put as much effort into our teamgames ever as he did in this thread.
I never understand the argument against laming. It's like arguing to ban certain rush build orders.
I never understand the argument against laming. It's like arguing to ban certain rush build orders.
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No, it's not.
Rushing requires an economic investment, laming doesn't.
Worst case scenario, you "invest" a little bit of scout HP and a few seconds of scouting information.
That's negligible considering you then get 3x times more food from your boars (the most important source of food) at a very early stage of the game.
I guess the point in question is if that's enough to immediately decide a game or not.
But comparing that to rushing is just you being extremely lazy.
This discussion around laming reminds me of the USA with their gun problem.
The rest of the world already discovered a century ago the solution is to ban gun sales.
And yet some Americans keep wondering why they have so many more random people causing mass shootings. To the point where a lot of these shootings are not even in the news anymore.
The problem with laming is so simple...It should not exist, that's it.
No other strategy game would ever allow one player to have 3x as many resources as his opponent, right from the start, with little to no drawback. And that's basically what happens when you steal just 1 boar.
It's absurd!
And the only reason we accept it is because it has been part of the game for 20 years, though it has never been as prevalent as it is now.
I can barely remember Daut and Chris laming each other, even though the rivalry between those 2 couldn't have been bigger. That's because they knew how broken the mechanic is.
But now with so much money on the line, of course everyone does it. And they should, if it's not forbidden by the rules.
But have no illusions, laming IS the problem.
I don't agree, I think the reason they don't post is because they don't want their public image to be affected by their opinions and interactions with the rest of us. I find that a bit of a coward move but it's understandable. The fear of losing viewers, subs, the perfect image you've been building, etc...At first I thought you were asking legit questions but now it looks like you are being sly. You know what I mean.
I was trying to be gracious to you, but it is this very reason that experts or good players don't post on these forums except for scheduling.
Afaik this happens in every game, every sport... anything that has competitive nature will have certain actions that will be allowed by the rules but will still be considered unethical to do.This is the only game i know where people think its "unethical" trying to get an advantage over your opponent.
I don't agree, I think the reason they don't post is because they don't want their public image to be affected by their opinions and interactions with the rest of us. I find that a bit of a coward move but it's understandable. The fear of losing viewers, subs, the perfect image you've been building, etc...
Why would the devs not read the biggest aoe website or just follow what happens in the Aoe scene?Hei, if laming is a problem, why not discussing a way to nerf it then post that solution to AgeOfEmpires forums? Or better, make a thread over there so devs can see the discussion.
Why would the devs not read the biggest aoe website or just follow what happens in the Aoe scene?
Why would the devs not read the biggest aoe website or just follow what happens in the Aoe scene?
What is hillarious and amusing is that DauT despite having almost no food at all was still able to mop up the floor with you in 30 minutes. Perhaps lamer fail is more fun than DauT castle. It was really entertaining to watch DauT devastate your woodline. I can imagine the smile on his face.
If you lose your scout laming you are in a bad spot. You might not have even found your food and now you have no idea what your opponent is doing. It's honestly a tough skill to pick up. I get amused when people admonish it but are happy to see people split with archers or quick wall.
Laming barely required any skill in aoc, and it requires even less in DE since the boar needs only 1 hit to be taken. As long as you are able to not mess your own economy up due to lack of multitask, laming will always be a low risk, huge reward thing.
Its also extremely super lucky based because a lot of times one player has both boars and 4 sheep in the back of the base whereas the other player has everything further away in the front, easy to be found by the opponent scout.
Its always been like this.
I would make the boar deal 20 damage a hit to a scout-eagle and also need 2 hits to be taken. This way the scout will have only 5hp left (eagle10hp) and a simple extra hit due to distraction/opponent scout blocking would be enough to kill the laming scout.
I just view it the same as people complaining about unorthodox play styles. Hoang all in, Inca Trush, Korean trush, etc.
People just get used to their standard scrush/flush builds and when someone does something to interfere -- it immediately needs nerfed asap.
There's a difference between taking laming back to two hits like the olden days or fixing the priority issue -- and outright preventing it like people are calling for.
The big difference between laming, as opposed to Huang/Inca, is that laming is extremely map dependent. On some maps, you have both boars forward, in which case there's basically nothing you can do to stop at least one getting lamed. On other maps, a player will have both boars back, which means they can't get lamed. Sure, people will definitely get annoyed at playing against "weird" strategies, the same way people will get annoyed at people who wall every inch of their base. There is a difference between that and something that is dependent on the map.I just view it the same as people complaining about unorthodox play styles. Hoang all in, Inca Trush, Korean trush, etc.
People just get used to their standard scrush/flush builds and when someone does something to interfere -- it immediately needs nerfed asap.
There's a difference between taking laming back to two hits like the olden days or fixing the priority issue -- and outright preventing it like people are calling for.