I have to say, I've been following AOE streams/forums for the past 6-7 years, and I have not seen (and did not expect) such effort from DauT in the reply. But it was a pleasure to read.
Good thing you do not post often because you have no clue what youre talking aboutJust to give a little background, I have never replied on this website in the entire 4 years of this account and the entire decade of this website's existence. And I never will after this(I just lurk around). But for this once I will make an exception for Daut.
Firstly, Daut, I am surprised you replied to MBL and I think you should not. This is beneath you.
Let me start from the very beginning. I have recently noticed that the chat is been very toxic to you. You may not realize it because it's not your chat. They not only make fun of your micro (which I know is a old joke) but show a bias when you are playing(its as if they don't know **** about the gameplay or the beauty of watching your game style or someone else's and just talks about Daut_this and Daut_that). It is as if they want the Dautcastle to happen. I think they don't take you seriously which is very disrespectful. They ignore many of the other pros mistakes but lunge onto yours and milk it for the lulz. I know many of the casters do it too and make it sound like its way worse than it is. I felt it in NAC3 too. Well, I am pretty sure others also saw how casters were busy fanboying certain players while making fun of others(you were among them) few instead of talking about the game. Okay, let me not divert. I am not going to name them but I have noticed how few of the pros were talking **** about you recently on the live stream. They are the same people who would lose to Daut in 2017-18 70% of the games with 3 times more APM. These pros and many casters in these recent years have normalized shitting on you. I know people call you the Lord and meme about you but for the hours you stream(it is been regular these couple of months), I think you have pretty low subs for someone so popular. You didn't cash on it, you are not a sellout(i know prime sellout is working for a couple of weeks now) and your stream is pretty chill(at least mods don't ban people for not sucking up to you). Again one more reason people **** on you. If this were any esports(ik AOE is not) and someone was as big a legend as you are they would not take 2 **** from any of these people. But, it is you. You are cool about everything. So, I hope you don't take this one hard on yourself too. You are a Top 10 player for 2 decades now. And people make fun of it, ain't it hilarious. You have at least my respect and I hope you are not salty about today's game. I understand why you would reply here though.
I am pretty sure AM hosted every game for a reason. And I am sure everyone knows why. Secret wanted to host too, but ironically they are not as tryhard as AM. Regarding the lames, it is cool that AM did. But, I'm pretty sure that the attempt to lame was empowered by blocking priority(not that I have any doubt that with current boar luring MBL can steal from pocket and flank 4 boars altogether). I would also like to add viper didn't lame boar as many are claiming to, although he did think about it and he clearly could have. I think Daut is furious about the last game which he should be. Not only could MBL and Lierreyy block Daut's villager with steroid horses but also Daut can not block their horses with his, again the blocking priority. I don't need to discuss today's games. I'm 100% sure if MBL did not spread his gospel of watching VOD and telling Daut and Tatoh to STFU, Daut would not have replied.
Let me try to connect it to what I said earlier about people not taking Daut seriously and shitting on him for the lulz. When MBL stole Daut's boars' chat was asking for the clip of Daut's reaction. But this was just a start, even for AM's TeamSpeak standard, they were pretty toxic about it and were flaming Daut on both boar and block situation. Let me call out the big pros here, yes Hera to quote you Daut "literally" died to Hoang Drush on the steppe. And yes Lierreyy it was pretty funny, was not it. You know what else is funny MBL dying to Hoang, or wait, Hera dying to Hoang, or maybe watch Nicov die to Hoang? No disrespect to Hoang though. But it does not stop here, I remember when after the second update we had wall and mangonel bugs. MBL cringed and cried a lot about it and to calm his soul down watched Daut fail with the bugs. It was fun. I think MBL watched VOD(of boars) for the lulz again, you know the same old watch Daut fail cuz it is funny haha get it? And then MBL mentioned it here on forums and tell Daut to STFU about it? bruh mb Daut was crying about the laming, not you, he did not abuse you. you do know who did abuse you when you lamed 2 boars thou right lmao. If you ask Daut about laming tomorrow, he won't be against it. Why are you offended that Daut and Tatoh cried? I mean like they tried to lame(according to you) and you tried to lame(and were successful at it) them. If Daut cried about it, Why is it your business if he didn't mention it to you. And to top it all, you called him out here? You are more frustrated than Daut, even though its the most titled I have seen him in a long time.
I have seen enough people shitting on Daut, now I don't know him and have not met him. As a long time AOE stream lurker, I don't voice myself out because we have enough specialists here in the forums to talk about everything AOE. But for this once, I replied because I am pretty sure people will still make fun of this Daut's post labeling it as a "burn" and "salt".
Lastly, ignore grammatical or semantic errors in the language. Please don't mention the logical fallacies if there are any, because I won't be replying. Excuse my rudeness to everyone I called out, I try to watch every one of you and am grateful that people like you keep the competitive scene compelling.
seems like daut account got hacked. Call the adminsDear Mbl, I don't even know where to start with you
First you say laming is same for everyone and you already know that is not. Host is having huge lead on it. (in this case it did not matter)
Then you go thru vod for what exact reason? what did you think you will find there? that I will compliment your amazing play and you could feed your ego? of course I wasn't happy about it, who would be? and if it wasn't sponsored match we would resign right there ( playing with 3 buffalos against 4 boars and 9 buffalos makes no sense at this level ).
Then you say to Tatoh and me to "Stfu" and stop crying since VIPER lamed you earlier and calling us Hypocritical. If Viper was the one "crying" that would make some sense but I can't find reasoning of me being hypocritical for something Viper did. Now since you like watching VODs so much go back to that moment Viper lamed you and listen carefully. He found your boar and asked should he take it I said "no we have style" and after Hera lamed Tatohs boar he went for it.
I know you are still young and stupid but you won't be young forever.
Also don't get me wrong I agree that laming should be part of the game but not as big as it is right now. Saying stuff like "Laming is same for everyone" only sounds good but let me try using some stupid analogy to prove my point. What if we would start with paladin instead of scout ? it would still be same for everyone. Or when Mangonels were doing 300 dmg to Town centar game was still same for everyone and yet Mbl complains about it https://www.twitch.tv/mblaoc/clip/PiliableArborealOpossumVoteNay?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time ( I know how to watch vods too )
I am sure Hoang would consider that good and fair change as Mbl thinks 1 hit stealing boar is good. We are all here because we enjoy playing Age of empires and each of us have different idea how game balance should work so there is not much point fighting over it.
For me personally if you can make win game move in first 30 seconds something is wrong with this STRATEGY game.
I know you are still young and stupid but you won't be young forever.
I have to say, I've been following AOE streams/forums for the past 6-7 years, and I have not seen (and did not expect) such effort from DauT in the reply. But it was a pleasure to read.
Honestly, I think it's normal. Everyone has emotion and Daut, MbLl too.
Daut's emotion when being lamed is normal because when u being lamed, u feel bad and then u thrash talk.
But honestly, I can say that Daut lamed me 5-6 times in the tournament if u guys want the recs you can pm me.
No matter in the show match, ranked game or tournament, if u being lamed, u must try to adapt and I think it's normal.
MBL emotion when watching the video I think is normal too Because everyone has emotion.
If we want to avoid this, it should be in the rules as well. But I can say that if u forbade it, so everyone now just stays scout at home and lures full of the deers, so the game will very boring as hell. So, life is unfair, you must try to adapt.
Yes I'll post them here just trying to work out how to post without spoilers etcAny way we would get the recordings? I missed the event and would like to speed watch it .
I will never understand why people think that it is fine to harm your opponent in every way possible from feudal on, but in dark age it it is frowned upon.
And the same people look down on new players who play no attack before 30 minutes settings.
Question, should lithuanian instant drush be banned too?As someone who hated laming in Dark Age more than anything, imo, I think it is because in Dark Age you're setting up the game. It isn't about war yet. There's never war in the few minutes of game. So it is like taking cheap shots. But when Feudal Age starts, then it is about war and anything goes. That's at least how I've always seen the game.
Question, should lithuanian instant drush be banned too?
Because "it's in the dark age, and dark age is about setting up the game"?
Though for clarity I have no strong opinion on the subject of laming. I think pros know better than anyone else here though.
I heard about this but I don't play DE. I'd have to see some games of it before I could say anything.
I am however familiar with a rather humorous Persian instant drush courtesy of a friend. It centered around laming but had some big drawbacks. That one I wouldn't ban.
Thats a really good point. It makes sense to lame in tournaments/showmatches, with the exception of boar laming and straggler laming. Everything else can be somewhat avoided (walling in your villager vs scout, protecting your vill going for boar lure, laming sheep is nowhere as big issue, sometimes you might not be sure whether its still your sheep or opponents). Straggler laming is thankfully underused considering it doesnt require any investment and can be very annoying and costly for opponent. If you exclude those 2 issues (and DE tournaments are adressing at least boar laming so far), there are only things, which can be avoided/dealt with. If youre in MAA game (very open fwd map with maa civs) and youre 3:1 boars, you have way lower chances against equally skilled player and I do agree thats a problem.if you can make win game move in first 30 seconds something is wrong with this STRATEGY game.