Get well soon, T90.
Please all get vaccinated as soon as you have the opportunity.
Please all get vaccinated as soon as you have the opportunity.
“Why did only my father die when we were 11 members there?” said Thakur. “It is not a virus which kills. The death is destined. I have no regrets.”
I guess this perfectly shows how uneffective the vaccination is against the delta-variant of the Corona-virus.
What I have seen is, a former PM of India who is 88 years old who was fully vaccinated got admitted into ICU after getting COVID. But, he survived after battling through it. What I am wondering is, will vaccines only be able to prevent you from dying if COVID hits you?I guess this perfectly shows how uneffective the vaccination is against the delta-variant of the Corona-virus.
After a quick surface look into it: Most people getting infected while being vaccinated is because only vaccinated people are allowed to attend stuff in public in Isreal, hence are more likely to get infected with the new delta-variant. Vaccinated people can get infected by the new variant, but don't show severe symptoms like unvaccinated people.
So this should not be used to discourage people from getting vaccinated because the vaccination still can protect you against severe side effects of Covid.
I'm not an expert on this, but as of my understanding how vaccinations work (especially in the case of Covid): With every vaccine you can get a %-protection. No vaccine has a 100% guarantee to be effective, but it is probably your best bet to protect yourself. The problem with this Coronavirus or viruses in general is the rather quick mutation, in the case of Covid it is faster than other viruses because it transmits so easily.What I have seen is, a former PM of India who is 88 years old who was fully vaccinated got admitted into ICU after getting COVID. But, he survived after battling through it. What I am wondering is, will vaccines only be able to prevent you from dying if COVID hits you?
The delta-variant (likley to originate in india) is sadly already so different that available vaccines don't really protect you from it (I read somewhere between 30-80%).
Yes, I was probably unclear on what I was refering to. The 30-80% was about a general protection from the delta variant, protection from severe symptoms which require hospitalization is estimated higher (above 90% for most vacvines), but to be honest the data available to make a definite statement is low atm, simply because we are just at the beginning of the vaccination process. The numbers currently available indicate that they effectively prevent a hopitalization, which is great, but you still can get infected by new variants and as long as this is the case, it is just a matter of time, when the vaccine will be outdated and even less effective.Protection from hospitalization and death after infection with the Delta variant, according to current data, is still well above 80% for the mRNA vaccines. In Israel that number was 93%.
It's actually seconds.I wonder what the limit of protection is if one is vaccinated (not talking about like the 4% or 12% chance vs normal or covid variant). Just how long can you be in contact with someone who is infected before you catch it? One hour or even less? Anyone heard anything regarding that? Just wondering from that data table and the disparity between cases.
Also here, even if you are vaccinated, starting today a mandate is going into effect. One will have to wear a mask again. Around 50% of people here weren’t wearing a mask (who knows how many were faking it too), so cases went up and hospitals are getting overloaded again. I know it was said people didn’t have to wear one if they were vaccinated, but still. Even 1% chances are happening all the time on a large scale, let alone the 4% or 12% chances of protection the vaccine give you. We all want out of this, but quite saddening and frustrating thinking one is immortal somewhere, immune from even the smallest of chances.
Scary for people who aren’t vaccinated and in the wrong time window. I don’t see anything about how long it takes for a vaccinated person unless I am blind atm. All I heard was the second shot of Pfizer is supposed to be around 88% effective against delta (96% for ‘normal’ covid), but seems risky/scary to test yourself against it. Now I understand the big rise where I live a bit more.It's actually seconds.
"It took just seconds for a person to be infected with COVID-19 as a stranger walked past them while shopping at Bondi Junction Westfield."
From 15 minutes to 5 seconds: Delta COVID outbreak has Australian health officials on high alert
Australian health officials are warning it no longer takes up to 15 minutes to pass on the deadly virus — it can be a "fleeting moment" of just five to 10 seconds.www.abc.net.au
It's actually seconds.
"It took just seconds for a person to be infected with COVID-19 as a stranger walked past them while shopping at Bondi Junction Westfield."
From 15 minutes to 5 seconds: Delta COVID outbreak has Australian health officials on high alert
Australian health officials are warning it no longer takes up to 15 minutes to pass on the deadly virus — it can be a "fleeting moment" of just five to 10 seconds.www.abc.net.au
Talking about the Delta variant.If that was true, the whole world would've been infected already in 2020; everything about covid stats is inflated since it became the norm
It was the same with the original one; and yes, same as before, all stats about delta are inflated; how many times we fall for the same plot?
the evidence allowed in the media is all pro "covid bad and dangerous", so its not feasible and balanced to find it in the same amount; however, we all have our anecdotal evidence; is everyone around you sick? nobody around me is; or the 10 people i talk to about this; is every other commentator here surrounded by covid sick people? i see alot of comments with stats; are those stats applicable to you?Blablabla. Where's your piece of evidence?
And do not even dare to tell me to do my own research.
the evidence allowed in the media is all pro "covid bad and dangerous", so its not feasible and balanced to find it in the same amount; however, we all have our anecdotal evidence; is everyone around you sick? nobody around me is; or the 10 people i talk to about this; is every other commentator here surrounded by covid sick people? i see alot of comments with stats; are those stats applicable to you?
dont want to give more detail, but i work in an environment where, if all these stories and stats are true, we would all be in the hospital, at least...but none is or has been sick
To be fair "only seconds" heavily depends on the circumstances and the persons involved, so it is not very accurate, rather a minimum time.Talking about the Delta variant.
I guess you skipped maths in high school or even college when they teach you that you cannot do a demonstration by example. It is flawed logic.the evidence allowed in the media is all pro "covid bad and dangerous", so its not feasible and balanced to find it in the same amount; however, we all have our anecdotal evidence; is everyone around you sick? nobody around me is; or the 10 people i talk to about this; is every other commentator here surrounded by covid sick people? i see alot of comments with stats; are those stats applicable to you?
dont want to give more detail, but i work in an environment where, if all these stories and stats are true, we would all be in the hospital, at least...but none is or has been sick
It's easy to bash that poor guy who believes in conspiracy theories, those logics are stupid indeed. But what are the actions we need to take?I guess you skipped maths in high school or even college when they teach you that you cannot do a demonstration by example. It is flawed logic.
(FYI. yes I know personally a good amount of people that got sick and three of them ended up in ICU.)
Although full vaccination is desirable, you better wait for the situation to be somewhat under control and take it as a final blow to seal the COVID rather than your magic cure to everything or a gesture that "we are doing something".
I'm in China for more than a year now, went to bars, clubs and all mass gathering events thoughout the time, practicing close to zero social distancing, still has no vaccination and completely fine.
Now they start to distribute mRNA vaccines to everyone including vaccinated people, because it has some limited effect against delta, despite its much higher price and slower production, but what if the delta mutates again? All the money and effort straight up go down the drain for no public merits.
1 it's hard to say, because after all the transmission and mutation, the actual lethality of COVID dropped too, can be found on WHO research. Moreover, if you go back to last year's news pieces, they did not promote vaccines for only creating antibodies, it's promoted as a way to lift all restrictions...No one ever expected the vaccines to completely rot Covid out of existence.
In fact most experts have long agreed that Covid is here to stay and we will need to learn to live with it, just like the Influenza virus.
Everything that is being done and has been done against Covid had one ultimate goal: to prevent the health system from collapsing.
That's where the vaccines play a role. If you are vaccinated, it is exceedingly unlikely you will get sick enough to require hospitalization. This is true for the Delta variant too.
Good for you!
There's enough dead people who were not as lucky.
So far, the numbers point to upwards of 90% protection against hospitalization/death. This is not "limited" effect. It's still an incredibly potent tool of preventing mass hospitalization.
We can only hope these numbers hold...
All eyes on the UK as it now completely lifts all of its Covid-19 restrictions...
After seeing you post and Butterfly's post, I decided to check up on a few things. I didn't check before but I have been hearing things all week about covid cases in the county I live in. Not sure about sources on things from what I was told, but here's mine within the past 5-10 minutes (latimes is one of the most reputable sources btw):So far, the numbers point to upwards of 90% protection against hospitalization/death. This is not "limited" effect. It's still an incredibly potent tool of preventing mass hospitalization.
We can only hope these numbers hold...
All eyes on the UK as it now completely lifts all of its Covid-19 restrictions...
Though cases and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide, officials say new infections and hospital admissions overwhelmingly involve unvaccinated people. In fact, more than 97% of patients entering hospitals nationwide with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, said Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
There is a clear message that is coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage because unvaccinated people are at risk. And communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring well.